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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: 4896744]
    #15208828 - 10/11/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

climate controlled-=-whered ya think i live, LA, lol??


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
    #15208855 - 10/11/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Do you heat your house?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] * 2
    #15209073 - 10/11/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

who know how to live sustainably

When American Indians figured out that Buffalo instinct is to gather around a dead buffalo, they immediately exploited that knowledge with a hunting technique that would drop one animal and surround the entire herd once they gathered around the dead one. They then proceeded to wipe out the ENTIRE HERD in order to take a dozen.

Eventually, when all the local buffalo were gone, they just packed up and moved to a new area to start again.

Get real. The only reason any jungle people live sustainably is because they don't have a choice. They're currently ignorant and haven't figured out how to kill more animals more quickly. Give them time to learn how and it will end the sustainably part.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
    #15209139 - 10/11/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

My ancestors were jungle people?  Whom are you referring to here?

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zzripz said:
It is typical of the arrogant mindsets of scientific materialism that they will call ancinet peoples, 'ignorant jungle people' and whatnot--I have come up against this conceit time and time again




Well, can you back any of that up?  I've never heard anything of the sort, and the whole notion of calling a group of people 'ignorant' seems pretty scientifically problematic.  I wouldn't expect this out of any legitimate scientific outlet. 

Can you provide any evidence this view even exists amongst the scientific community?

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-ie., most of the drugs you know about come from the jungles/rainforests




Source?

Much of your post, as Diploid expands on, seems to be based on bullshit.  Can you provide any evidence that this is correct? 

I'm not aware of many drugs that have a rainforest/jungle origin.  Very few, in fact. 

I imagine you've heard the popular claim that many unknown drugs are to be found in the rainforest and have somehow concluded that means the drugs used by 'us' are derived therefrom.  Am I wrong?  It really seems like your just making up things as you go along, because I can't imagine that you can establish even a signifigant fraction of our drugs are from the rainforest.

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IF you argue they found the cure for malaria, so what about the massive increase of cancers since the rise of the industrial revolution?!..........etc!




:rolleyes:

Source? 

Honestly, your post is like reading some new age webpage.  Can you back any of this stuff up?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: rainx]
    #15209220 - 10/11/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm disappointed at the members' responses to this outrage in Peru. The mass murder of shamans is an atrocity that should not be belittled or made into an amusement. These are our spiritual brothers and sisters. No one is immune from being murdered, shaman or not.





Well.... People get murdered all across the world every day and majority of our western society belittle it and find it amusing, so what makes this any diffrent?  Every person on this earth is our spiritual brothers and sisters... Not just the shamans...


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Rebel_At_War]
    #15209239 - 10/11/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

so what makes this any diffrent?

The fact that the dead shamans claimed supernatural protection against these things but clearly didn't have it. Neener neener!

Now if their beliefs were wrong about this, what else might they be wrong about?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Diploid]
    #15209294 - 10/11/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Diploid said:
so what makes this any diffrent?

The fact that the dead shamans claimed supernatural protection against these things but clearly didn't have it. Neener neener!

Now if their beliefs were wrong about this, what else might they be wrong about?





Shamans are humans aswell..??? Arent they??  The "power of protection" can only get u so far... ALL humans die eventually.... Shamans included...


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Rebel_At_War]
    #15209369 - 10/11/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Shamans are humans aswell..??? Arent they??

Their humanity is not in question. Their belief system is.

The "power of protection" can only get u so far...

They beloved they were supernaturally protected from exactly what killed them. Therefore, their belief system is suspect, as is the belief system of anyone who claims shamans are anything other than delusional.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Diploid]
    #15209381 - 10/11/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Next you are going to be dissing Native American's use of sage smudging and rattle shaking... :rolleyes:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15209385 - 10/11/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I was almost bit once by a rattleshake(r).:whoa:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Icelander]
    #15209489 - 10/11/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What I don't get is that

A. We are all one.

B. All humans are deserving of compassion and are equal in the eyes of The Lord.

But few shed a tear when 13 drug cartel members are brutally slain by the US Marines, yet some bloody squabble amongst shamans is cause for mourning and hand-wringing.

Should I also be bereft if a plane-load of Amercian psychic readers containing Sylvia Brown, Van Praague, Dubois and Edward went down in a fiery ball?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Diploid]
    #15209519 - 10/11/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

what is YOUR philosophy of life? let us have a look at it shall we clever clogs?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
    #15209545 - 10/11/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

For those not in the know, Peruvian shamans trying to get a piece of the ayahuasca tourist trade $$$ will disrespect other shamans to potential customers as well as attempt to put black magic spells on them. Doesn't sound much different than large corporation tactics against competitors.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15209761 - 10/11/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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For those not in the know, Peruvian shamans trying to get a piece of the ayahuasca tourist trade $$$ will disrespect other shamans to potential customers as well as attempt to put black magic spells on them. Doesn't sound much different than large corporation tactics against competitors.




McDonald's is always putting black magic spells on BK.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Sly Stone]
    #15209797 - 10/11/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Sly Stone said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
For those not in the know, Peruvian shamans trying to get a piece of the ayahuasca tourist trade $$$ will disrespect other shamans to potential customers as well as attempt to put black magic spells on them. Doesn't sound much different than large corporation tactics against competitors.




McDonald's is always putting black magic spells on BK.




No black magic spell can make McDonalds taste better than Burger King though.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Sly Stone]
    #15209800 - 10/11/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

BK burgers are better, but Mac fries rule!

That lady with the hot coffee lawsuit against McDonald's was hired by BK.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15209848 - 10/11/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

BK burgers are better, but Mac fries rule!

Can't argue with that, but if I have the choice I will go for BK.

That lady with the hot coffee lawsuit against McDonald's was hired by BK.

Seriously? :lol:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #15209866 - 10/11/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

How much $$$ would it take to get you to pour a scalding liquid on your private parts?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15209899 - 10/11/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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How much $$$ would it take to get you to pour a scalding liquid on your private parts?




Would there be any damage to my private parts?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
    #15209942 - 10/11/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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zzripz said:
what is YOUR philosophy of life? let us have a look at it shall we clever clogs?




What does that have to do with anything? 

In case you missed it, several of your claims were questioned: that most of the drugs we know of come from the rainforest/jungle, that scientists call various cultures "ignorant" and otherwise denigrate them as you claimed, and that there has been an "increase in cancer" since the industrial revolution.

You claimed these things were true to make your point.  Were they?  Is there any reason we should believe them?


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