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me knowing that the dilute acid contains no acid removes the placebo effect and puts the focus on the fact that homeopathic medicines are supposed to work because they contain "remnant vibrations" from the molecules which used to be present

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As yet, science has not been able to explain the mechanism of action of ultra high dilutions in the body, but laboratory experiments have repeatedly demonstrated that homeopathically prepared substances cause biological effects. For example, the hormone thyroxine prepared as a homeopathic ‘30C’ dilution can slow down the process of metamorphosis of tadpoles into frogs.1
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One theory is that during the production of a homeopathic medicine, the dilution and agitation processes cause an interaction between the original material (e.g. a plant such as Belladonna) and the water and alcohol it is mixed with. This creates tiny new structures (nanostructures) which are the ‘active ingredient’ and remain present even when the sample has been diluted many, many times.2

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Humility said:
Life must suck when you don't reason/contemplate logically.  Makes you go through a lot of hubub that isn't necessary.


You walk down roads that lead to dead ends because you're constantly looking at your feet.

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This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate.  It's a personal attack and nothing more.

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Your eyes aren't open enough, oh wise one.


It all makes perfect sense, and it isn't a personal attack.  Sam made a comment about a phenomenon that cannot possibly be proven true (Dreams having no significant relation to the real world).  I stated as much in retort.  Sam went on to restate his point/not make a point while passive-aggressively requoting me in a fashion that did not elaborate on the argument.


I went on to state that Sam isn't using logic to reason and argue and that that's a sad way to live life.  Truthfully I believe logic and reason have limits but I think that this matter falls well within those limits.


The last thing in the world I am is angry.  I feel pity for you both.  You're going in circles and I can only imagine that it hurts and is confusing because I've been there.


But I wish you the best all the same

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@flickedbic - that would make the dilute acid work too. i'm still not convinced.

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Hehe; if it gets tadpoles high; it might be worth a shot   Just find a cool Holistic pharmacy:

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Homeopathic medicines (which homeopaths call remedies) are prepared by specialist pharmacies using a careful process of dilution and succussion (a specific form of vigorous shaking).

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Humility said:
Life must suck when you don't reason/contemplate logically.  Makes you go through a lot of hubub that isn't necessary.


You walk down roads that lead to dead ends because you're constantly looking at your feet.

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This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate.  It's a personal attack and nothing more.

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Your eyes aren't open enough, oh wise one.


It all makes perfect sense, and it isn't a personal attack.  Sam made a comment about a phenomenon that cannot possibly be proven true (Dreams having no significant relation to the real world).  I stated as much in retort.  Sam went on to restate his point/not make a point while passive-aggressively requoting me in a fashion that did not elaborate on the argument.


I went on to state that Sam isn't using logic to reason and argue and that that's a sad way to live life.  Truthfully I believe logic and reason have limits but I think that this matter falls well within those limits.


The last thing in the world I am is angry.  I feel pity for you both.  You're going in circles and I can only imagine that it hurts and is confusing because I've been there.


But I wish you the best all the same

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And your eyes are mostly closed to yourself.  At least in this post you gave your reasons for disagreement rather than attack on the person debating.  Maybe that's a tiny bit of growth for you.

I don't feel any pity for you.  I expect this nonsense from the average bloke on the street.

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SamuelLJackson said:
and go tell that to people on the street. tell me how many of them laugh at you.

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Motherfucker

(It really does make most every sentence better if you throw that on the end.)

Motherfucker. 

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i dont know how to respond to you. the first part of your post, which follows the first quote, comes across as a statement.

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You said they haven't impacted you, I said IMO they had and gave you my reasoning.  I would expect that you could agree/disagree with my observation.

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SamuelLJackson said:the second part, which follows the second quote, comes across too vague.

what is "a full blown unity experience"?

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on drugs i often feel the supposed connectedness of everything. strangely enough, i never feel that when i dont have a ton of hallucinogens coursing through my veins

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Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.

The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"

"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"

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You may have heard a similar line in Avatar.  (ripped off Zen in ripped of Dances w/Wolves)

Been cool meeting you Samuel...Motherfucker! 

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i'll likely call 911 and get a psychiatric evaluation because i know thats associated with drug use and if im not on drugs and feel like im on drugs that means something has gone horribly wrong.

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