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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: johnm214]
    #15210040 - 10/11/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

No. I do not demand you believe anything I say. that doesn;t mean it isn't true though.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] * 3
    #15210075 - 10/11/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:what:

Do you ever answer questions directly?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15210319 - 10/11/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That lady with the hot coffee lawsuit

Only in PS&P can a thread start out on shaman murders, then pass through French fries, and finally end up on burned pussies. But as long as we're at it:

Checker's fries rock! :yesnod:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
    #15210363 - 10/11/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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No. I do not demand you believe anything I say. that doesn;t mean it isn't true though.





This is a philosophy forum geared towards debate.  Conclusions absent an argument or evidence, such as those you've provided, are not helpful.  Making claims that another poster is wrong and then refusing to back those up is even more unhelpful- its a waste of time and space.

If you don't expect people to take your posts seriously, it would be better to state that at the outset, to avoid misleading people about your intentions.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: johnm214] * 2
    #15210384 - 10/11/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: johnm214]
    #15210398 - 10/11/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I assume if someone makes no attempt to back up their claims that their claims are fos  nonsense which is almost always the case.  Especially with the poster in question.  Most of his posts are a total FAIL. :braindamage:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Icelander]
    #15211666 - 10/11/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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IF you argue they found the cure for malaria, so what about the massive increase of cancers since the rise of the industrial revolution?!..........etc!

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Source? 

Honestly, your post is like reading some new age webpage.  Can you back any of this stuff up?




I can't awnswer for him; but when I was in college I had an interesting class in American History: wherein it was devulged that this generation has the distinction of being the first in history to have a life-expectancy lower than their parents.


"Drugs from the rainforest?
Shamans with knowledge?

I'm leaning towards impossible..."

"Once those jungle natives learn how to hunt effectively; they will next learn how to factory-farm and have Big-Macs and then everyone will be as happy as this USA generation; and the only drugs will come from MONSANTO; payed for easily and quickly by scanning the veins on the back of your right hand in association with a National ID card; just as one does to get Credit for flipping the Big-Macs."

:crazy2:
BIOMETRIC NATIONAL ID:  CAN'T WORK (OR DRIVE/FLY/BANK etc?) WITHOUT IT!


Sounds like a slice of heaven right?

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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #15212358 - 10/12/11 03:05 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
article

So much for second sight and warnings from dead ancestors. It turns out that shamanic visions are only in your head and do not come from another realm.




the other realm is in your head nubsauce. But so is everything. I can explore it like anybody else, doesn't mean i couldn't still be murdered by some jackoff.

so sad that a tragedy like this appears to you as an opportunity to maintain the boundaries of your own little world...this thread is garbage


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: g00ru]
    #15212362 - 10/12/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

sounds like those shamans were some fuckin G's getting organized, and the government didn't like them.  if anything to me the article is a validation of their power...they wouldn't have been killed if the mayor didn't fear them.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: g00ru] * 2
    #15212571 - 10/12/11 05:33 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Was that an argument?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: 4896744] * 2
    #15212603 - 10/12/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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iThink said:
Was that an argument?




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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: g00ru]
    #15212752 - 10/12/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

guruu,

You know better than to call people names in PS&P. If you prefer to debate like a child, do it in the OTD forum where that's how they debate there.

The next time you do it in PS&P you will be banned.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
    #15212936 - 10/12/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
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IF you argue they found the cure for malaria, so what about the massive increase of cancers since the rise of the industrial revolution?!..........etc!

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Source? 

Honestly, your post is like reading some new age webpage.  Can you back any of this stuff up?




I can't awnswer for him; but when I was in college I had an interesting class in American History: wherein it was devulged that this generation has the distinction of being the first in history to have a life-expectancy lower than their parents.






Which generation is "this" generation?  Do you know what the evidence for their claim is?

Regarding  zzripz claim about all the new cancers I imagine this is just something he assumed based on faulty logic: that an increase in cancer diagnosises compared with some decades ago reflects an increase in the incidence of cancer.  With all the new analytical and diagnostic technology we now have (CT, MRI, blood and urine tests, sophisticated ultrasound equipment, et cet) available to even the smallest hospitals and routine screenings for the most common cancers (colon, breast, cervicle, testicular, prostate), your going to see a large increase in diagnosises even if the patient population remains the same.

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"Drugs from the rainforest?
Shamans with knowledge?

I'm leaning towards impossible..."




Nobody said it was impossible, we said zzripz didn't back up his claims regarding most of the drugs we know of coming from the rainforest.
Their are relatively few drugs derived from rainforest sources.  (He probably made this up based on the common statistic estimating many new useful drugs could be found amongst rainforest orgnaisms, though the same is true of pretty much any ecological system, we have relatively rudimentary knowledge of the active substances in various plants, mostly those with some historical/cultural signifigance)


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mod party :birthday:




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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: johnm214]
    #15213175 - 10/12/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ALL i can see from you is words. So I ask you--sowhere's YOUR evidences...? can you not dig that most drugs will derive from plants?

can you not see tyhat pollutants will be detrimental for health. WHY do I have to throw sources at you, and you dont at me?

hey??


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #15213178 - 10/12/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Because he asked you and you didn't.  Now if you up with some good ones then he will be obliged to come back.  This is the basics of debate. :tongue:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #15213213 - 10/12/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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zzripz said:
ALL i can see from you is words. So I ask you--sowhere's YOUR evidences...? can you not dig that most drugs will derive from plants?

can you not see tyhat pollutants will be detrimental for health. WHY do I have to throw sources at you, and you dont at me?

hey??




here's a cool story.

the people making the claims provide the evidence.

its why scientific papers arent just an abstract and a conclusion.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15213229 - 10/12/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

but it is ob-vi-ous...? duh?

tell me something--look i am gonna say, drinking contaminated water will give you disease.........................right?

now. are you tellin me I gotta go now fetch ya some evidence,,,? you trippin yo?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #15213241 - 10/12/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

No your generalized claims are not obvious. Pretend it's one of your alien friends and they don't believe you.

All this time you are bitching about having to back your claims you could be looking for evidence to validate them.  When someone doesn't it's a major red flag that they are fos.

Too bad you have me on ignore so you can't see this.:lol:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] * 2
    #15213286 - 10/12/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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No your generalized claims are not obvious. Pretend it's one of your alien friends and they don't believe you.

All this time you are bitching about having to back your claims you could be looking for evidence to validate them.  When someone doesn't it's a major red flag that they are fos.

Too bad you have me on ignore so you can't see this.




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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
    #15213322 - 10/12/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So much talk... this took me 10 minutes to compile:

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BOSTON, March 16 - For the first time in two centuries, the current generation of children in America may have shorter life expectancies than their parents... by as much as five years.
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The report's lead author, Dr. S. Jay Olshansky, a professor of public health at the University of Illinois, Chicago, said he considered the report's projections of reduced life expectancy to be "very conservative, and I think the negative effect is probably greater than we have shown."


Report from the March 17, 2005 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, story above from http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/health/17obese.html

REGARDING RAINFOREST MEDICINE
"Seventy percent of the plants identified as having anti-cancer characteristics by the US National Cancer Institute are found only in the tropical rainforest."

-http://rainforests.mongabay.com/1007.htm

A few examples of plant medicine:

Quote:

Quinine
cinchona tree (S. America)
treat malaria

Neostigmine
Calabar bean (Africa?)
used to treat glaucoma and provides a blueprint for synthetic insecticides

Novacaine, cocaine
coca plant (South America)
local anesthetic; cocaine served as a blue print for less toxic, less addictive anesthetics

Turbocuarine
curare liana (America)
Originally used by natives to poison arrow tips.  Muscle relaxant for surgery; to treat muscle disorders like Parkinson's disease and multiple sclerosis. Cannot be synthesized in the lab.

vincristine, vinblastine
rosy periwinkle (Madagascar)
pediatric leukemia, Hogkin's disease

Cortisone
wild yams (Central America)
active ingredient in birth control pills



-http://rainforests.mongabay.com/10drugs.htm

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Around 70 percent of all new drugs introduced in the United States in the past 25 years have been derived from natural products, reports a study published in the March 23 issue of the Journal of Natural Products. The findings show that despite increasingly sophisticated techniques to design medications in the lab, Mother Nature is still the best drug designer...Newman and Cragg note that while random sampling can uncover some drugs, working with native healers, who use medicinal plants on a regular basis, is especially effective. For example, a 1990s study in Samoa found that 86 percent of the plants used by local healers yielded biological activity in humans. Other insights can be gained by observing which plants avoid predation and what plants are eaten by non-herbivorous animals... This article used quotes and information from "Mother nature still a rich source of new drugs" by Julie Steenhuysen (Reuters), "Medicine Man Has Counterpart in Real Life" by Maritta P. Grau (National Cancer Institute at Frederick), 



-http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0320-drugs.html

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Currently, 121 prescription drugs currently sold worldwide come from plant-derived sources. And while 25% of Western pharmaceuticals are derived from rainforest ingredients, less than 1% of these tropical trees and plants have been tested by scientists.
The U.S. National Cancer Institute has identified 3000 plants that are active against cancer cells. 70% of these plants are found in the rainforest. Twenty-five percent of the active ingredients in today's cancer-fighting drugs come from organisms found only in the rainforest
Vincristine, extracted from the rainforest plant, Periwinkle, is one of the world's most powerful anticancer drugs. It has dramatically increased the survival rate for acute childhood leukemia since its discovery.
In 1983, there were no U.S. pharmaceutical manufacturers involved in research programs to discover new drugs or cures from plants. Today, over 100 pharmaceutical companies and several branches of the US government, including giants like Merck and The National Cancer Institute, are engaged in plant research projects for possible drugs and cures for viruses, infections, cancer and even AIDS.



-http://savetheamazon.org/rainforeststats.htm

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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (10/12/11 11:02 AM)


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