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So much for second sight and warnings from dead ancestors. It turns out that shamanic visions are only in your head and do not come from another realm.
Who'd a thunk?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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I plan on selling them real-estate.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
#15196845 - 10/08/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: rainx]
#15197809 - 10/08/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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rainx said: I'm disappointed at the members' responses to this outrage in Peru. The mass murder of shamans is an atrocity that should not be belittled or made into an amusement. These are our spiritual brothers and sisters. No one is immune from being murdered, shaman or not.
Death is funny, what ya gonna do.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: detest86]
#15197859 - 10/08/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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detest86 said: So there are still people that believe in witches today. The uneducated countries need to be nuked.
edit: nuke lol
I agree, lets start with America.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: yeah]
#15198916 - 10/09/11 03:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe the universe guided me to it to make things easier for me.
I see your belief and raise you one belief.
I believe I'm the ruler of the universe and all women are mine.
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i dont think either of those dreams represent real life scenarios
I agree. However these dreams may represent your feelings about certain events or emotional landscapes in your current or past experience. While dreams are often completely random imo they are not always so.
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....hidden ....truths?
do you mean hallucinations and delusions caused by consuming a psychoactive substance?
No those hallucinations can be and delusions are fool's gold.
One must throw one's realizations against the wall when sober and see what sticks.
Blessings.
been doing this for a while.
none of it sticks. im still the same old person i was prior to pumping myself full of substances except for the fact that i know what its like to do those substances.
Now generally I'm a skeptic when it comes to what psychedelics can do but I'm far from sure they have no real effect on ones life path. For instance I still remember my first LSD trip of 40 years ago. I can remember sitting on my front porch steps and looking up and down my block and having the realization that these people were all trapped in a form of insanity and were calling me to join. This included my parents who were fundamental christian abusive nut jobs. I never realized that I was not the problem in total before. I set it in my mind that day to escape. Of course I found out later that escape isn't really possible but it did set a new course of effort and awareness for my life. I really doubt I would have had the same adventures that finally brought me here without that experience. In fact I believe I would be in prison or a suicide had I not had that a several other psychedelic experiences. From a psychological perspective they were profound and life changing imo. That does not mean everyone would have such a result.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Humility]
#15200823 - 10/09/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humility said: Life must suck when you don't reason/contemplate logically. Makes you go through a lot of hubub that isn't necessary.
You walk down roads that lead to dead ends because you're constantly looking at your feet.
This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate. It's a personal attack and nothing more.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Sly Stone]
#15200861 - 10/09/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it's not a personal attack. It's a statement of fact. I have nothing against the poster nor am I angry.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Humility]
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Humility said: Life must suck when you don't reason/contemplate logically. Makes you go through a lot of hubub that isn't necessary.
You walk down roads that lead to dead ends because you're constantly looking at your feet.
This response says nothing worthwhile in this debate. It's a personal attack and nothing more. 
Your eyes aren't open enough, oh wise one.
It all makes perfect sense, and it isn't a personal attack. Sam made a comment about a phenomenon that cannot possibly be proven true (Dreams having no significant relation to the real world). I stated as much in retort. Sam went on to restate his point/not make a point while passive-aggressively requoting me in a fashion that did not elaborate on the argument.
I went on to state that Sam isn't using logic to reason and argue and that that's a sad way to live life. Truthfully I believe logic and reason have limits but I think that this matter falls well within those limits.
The last thing in the world I am is angry. I feel pity for you both. You're going in circles and I can only imagine that it hurts and is confusing because I've been there.
But I wish you the best all the same 
And your eyes are mostly closed to yourself. At least in this post you gave your reasons for disagreement rather than attack on the person debating. Maybe that's a tiny bit of growth for you. 
I don't feel any pity for you. I expect this nonsense from the average bloke on the street.
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I agree. If one is honest they will have to acknowledge the feeling of separateness as a physical reality. Now one can "think" they are connected to everything but that's something very different. I think I'm connected to everything myself but I definitely feel like a separate entity most all the time.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: NetDiver]
#15203952 - 10/10/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be expected from this poster. See my next post.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] 1
#15203957 - 10/10/11 05:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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zzripz said: of course it bleedin does, but i cant be bothered making the effort.
Can your debate skills and beliefs get more lame? Every time I think they can't you prove me wrong.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] 1
#15204005 - 10/10/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please report me for my flames and personalisms. 
Better than me ignoring you why don't you leave this forum forever. You don't seem to have the debate skills to make any real contribution here.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
#15204227 - 10/10/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Of COURSE they have a healing effect on people.]
All people? Religion has a healing effect on some people. Psychotherapy has a healing effect on some people. Shock therapy has a healing effect on some people. Placebo has a healing effect on some people.
I do think psychedelics have a positive psychological effect on some people but on some it has no effect and some a negative effect. Same for many other things.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz] 1
#15204232 - 10/10/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shamans were/are healers....? duh!
All Shamans? Were't some deeply involved in the black arts?
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: zzripz]
#15204638 - 10/10/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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zzripz said: i am just wonderin what planet your 'argument ' is on--or universe
Get lost. This crap is almost always your reply to direct questions.
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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Diploid]
#15204998 - 10/10/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ouch. 
Unfortunately I have never seen this evidence give one true believer even a moments pause for reflection.
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