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XeR0
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Mushrooms not potent
#15194101 - 10/07/11 11:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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So today, I trip-sit 4 of my friends who decided to try shrooms for their first time. I weighed about 3.5g for three of them and about 2.5g for one of them who had to go to work later that day. They all had a great time and laughed their asses off. However, one thing frustrated me the most: they had no visuals whatsoever. Not even CEV's. Perhaps they weren't patient to sit and actually wait for them but still...an eight should've done SOMETHING.
An eighth should've had them tripping balls and yet they had no visuals or anything. Just giggling their asses off on the train and in the park.
Why aren't my mushrooms potent?! I fan dried them just fine. No heat whatsoever affected them. I further dried them in a jar of desiccant (calcium chloride). They were cracker dry and quite ready to be consumed. But why weren't they potent? I'm really scratching my head over this one. An eighth should have had those dudes tripping....and all they get is fits of giggles and a better appreciation for nature. No breathing, no warping, no shifts in perception. They still had a great time and they didn't pay for anything so it was no loss for them. But still, I felt quite bad that they didn't get the experience level they should have. I'm quite literally in a WHAT THE FUCK situation here....please help me out and let me know what I doing wrong or at least what I can do to fix this.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194116 - 10/07/11 11:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you use a clone or isolate?
If not, throwing dice with MS genetics.
Such is life...eat more next time
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: ely2121]
#15194131 - 10/07/11 11:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are cakes inoculated from spores I bought from Sporeworks. These are the same spores I used to make the cakes that were responsible for my first trip. I took 15g of fresh shrooms and I had a medium experience with some breathing, morphing, CEV's, and some animations of geometric objects in the dark.
In any case, these aren't questionable spores. These are the same spores that had me tripping my first time. Regardless of anything of what I just said, why weren't these shrooms potent?! These are Golden Teachers...they should've done SOMETHING...I'm really quite frustrated about this and in dire need of a good explanation.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194146 - 10/07/11 11:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people just dont get visuals... I know a few people that have eaten alot more than an 8th and tripped their heads off but not gotten visuals. Me personally get great visuals on mushies, but have never had them on Lsd, and ive tried eating a ton.. I think it just depends on the person...
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194151 - 10/07/11 11:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because it is multi spore, you never know what spores are going to link up and fruit. This is of course over simplifying the fungus life cycle. But that is the the bottom line. The same syringe may make big fruits and small fruits, slow growth/fast growth, as well as potent fruits and weak fruits.
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To better explain, A human male has sperm with a specific genetic code. All his sperm will be the same. Likewise for the human female egg. Mix the two together and you get a combo of those genetic traits.
With a spore syringe or print, what you get is much more complicated than male and female. On top of that each spore may have different characteristics. This is the (again, simplified) reason multispore is unpredictable and isolates are raved about so much.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194179 - 10/07/11 11:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: SteezMe]
#15194180 - 10/07/11 11:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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SteezMe said: Some people just dont get visuals... I know a few people that have eaten alot more than an 8th and tripped their heads off but not gotten visuals. Me personally get great visuals on mushies, but have never had them on Lsd, and ive tried eating a ton.. I think it just depends on the person...
Were those shrooms known to be potent? The same question goes for the acid. I'd usually blame it on potency/dosage. If you don't have visuals on LSD or shrooms, then either the dosage was low (acid) or the potency was low (shrooms). 200mcg of acid will fuck up anybody...it's science. You can't tell me that an eighth of DEFINITELY POTENT shrooms didn't do shit for somebody unless they either had tolerance (from a recent trip) or they're taking some chemicals that prevent it from working.
My point is that there's a limit to how tolerant you are of something. And the chances of being one of those freakishly tolerant people is slim to none. We're talking about 4 people having the same level "trip". There's obviously a pattern here: the shrooms they took (the ones I've waited a long ass time to grow) were not potent. This makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong.
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infamouscube said: the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids
I tripped pretty good on my first grows' first flush. 15g fresh is a bit less than half an eighth....and I still had CEV's, warping, breathing, and animations as well as slight sound distortions. I'm not saying you're wrong....I'm just saying that "rule" didn't apply in my situation.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194228 - 10/08/11 12:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You didn't do anything wrong. It MS man, it happens. Whatever genetics you had in your cakes must have not been what you were looking for. You basically took 1 billion eggs and 1 billion sperm and ended up with some babies that had bad genes. It was just bad luck on your dice roll.
To have that not happen again you need to place a drop of your spore solution on agar and transfer a crap load of sectors until you have a crap load of different isolates and then grow out each iso and find the one that you prefer and just work with that iso.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194229 - 10/08/11 12:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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it can still vary as in go up or down from flush to flush
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infamouscube said: the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids
Bullshit.
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infamouscube said: it can still vary as in go up or down from flush to flush
More true the first statement.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Wing]
#15194257 - 10/08/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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winged_1 said: You didn't do anything wrong. It MS man, it happens. Whatever genetics you had in your cakes must have not been what you were looking for. You basically took 1 billion eggs and 1 billion sperm and ended up with some babies that had bad genes. It was just bad luck on your dice roll.
To have that not happen again you need to place a drop of your spore solution on agar and transfer a crap load of sectors until you have a crap load of different isolates and then grow out each iso and find the one that you prefer and just work with that iso.
Wow. That makes sense. But still...it's one of those coincidental things that just make your head itch. Why of all times, of all places, and of all cakes did destiny decide for the first flush of one of my cakes to be weak shrooms? Makes you wonder, what if I had sold those shrooms? How much of a rip off would I look to those guys? I'm an honest person when it comes to selling shit. Definitely wouldn't want that to happen.
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infamouscube said: the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids
Bullshit.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194258 - 10/08/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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P. Cubensis is more of a mental trip. If you want good visuals then smoke DMT.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
#15194292 - 10/08/11 12:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those crystals look like a grain jar after a good shake.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
#15194298 - 10/08/11 12:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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prismism said: P. Cubensis is more of a mental trip. If you want good visuals then smoke DMT.

DMT is something I'm already familiar with and have tried dozens of times. No doubt, DMT never lets you down...at least 99% of the time.
BTW: Very off-topic; are those crystals from a re-X? If so, how did you get it to be so defined. My crystals usually turn out powdery and in small clusters.
BACK TO TOPIC: I'm still unfamiliar with the concept of MS (which I'm guessing means MultiSpore). How exactly is a syringe of the spores of one species of mushroom a multi-spore? Aren't they the same strain? And if you mean multi-spore as in multiple spores of the same strain, then how exactly do you isolate a SINGLE spore in an agar solution? I'm probably not making any sense so if anyone would care to shed some light on this issue, I'm sure all noobs to mycology would appreciate it.
I'm actually enjoying the opportunity to learn this. This was frustrating at first but now I'm glad to have this run in with the unexpectedness of science. TEACH ME TEACH ME!!!
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
#15194317 - 10/08/11 12:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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my source of the info is taken from a book that's 5 years old "psilocybin mushroom handbook" i'm not saying that its 100% accurate and some of the info is dated. and to answer your question different spores contain slightly different genetics like everything biological and thus there traits vary thats why ppl try to isolate good genetics on agar
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194331 - 10/08/11 12:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You don't want a single spore's mycelium, you want a mating of two spores' mycelium. Each spore contains different genetics. Agar is to help you get clean cultures of good growth.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194337 - 10/08/11 12:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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XeR0 said: BTW: Very off-topic; are those crystals from a re-X? If so, how did you get it to be so defined. My crystals usually turn out powdery and in small clusters.
I used a very simple straight to base extraction. The plant material itself was quality, that's why it was such a good pull.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194341 - 10/08/11 12:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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SteezMe said: Some people just dont get visuals... I know a few people that have eaten alot more than an 8th and tripped their heads off but not gotten visuals. Me personally get great visuals on mushies, but have never had them on Lsd, and ive tried eating a ton.. I think it just depends on the person...
Were those shrooms known to be potent? The same question goes for the acid. I'd usually blame it on potency/dosage. If you don't have visuals on LSD or shrooms, then either the dosage was low (acid) or the potency was low (shrooms). 200mcg of acid will fuck up anybody...it's science. You can't tell me that an eighth of DEFINITELY POTENT shrooms didn't do shit for somebody unless they either had tolerance (from a recent trip) or they're taking some chemicals that prevent it from working.
My point is that there's a limit to how tolerant you are of something. And the chances of being one of those freakishly tolerant people is slim to none. We're talking about 4 people having the same level "trip". There's obviously a pattern here: the shrooms they took (the ones I've waited a long ass time to grow) were not potent. This makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong.
Well i am not going to argue, drugs affect people in different ways.. I have eaten very potent acid and never gotten so much as squiglies in my eyes. My father who was around when acid was actually ACID and was an every other day tripper and has very strong visual, auditory and sensory experiences with, has been fed more than 3/4 of an ounce of PF's that we all ate just 8ths of and tripped like mad men, him on the other hand had no effects whatsoever. You can disagree with that all you want but one day you will meet someone that you can just burn mushies into and wont feel a thing. Me and him actually have a bet going hahaha when i feed him some that make him trip he is going to owe me 500 bucks. But this bet has been going on for the last 8 years and still... No results, not even a head change
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: SteezMe]
#15194370 - 10/08/11 12:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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SteezMe said: Well i am not going to argue, drugs affect people in different ways.. I have eaten very potent acid and never gotten so much as squiglies in my eyes. My father who was around when acid was actually ACID and was an every other day tripper and has very strong visual, auditory and sensory experiences with, has been fed more than 3/4 of an ounce of PF's that we all ate just 8ths of and tripped like mad men, him on the other hand had no effects whatsoever. You can disagree with that all you want but one day you will meet someone that you can just burn mushies into and wont feel a thing. Me and him actually have a bet going hahaha when i feed him some that make him trip he is going to owe me 500 bucks. But this bet has been going on for the last 8 years and still... No results, not even a head change
No man, I believe you. I have a friend of mine who's EXTREMELY TOLERANT of pain killers and tranquilizers. He's borderline schizo and he's got bipolar coupled with other shit. Pain killers that would put a normal man to sleep for days would barely have an effect on him. Again though, he's an exception...and only one of few in this world.
In nuclear chemistry, they say that if you expose a population of people to lethal doses of radiation, half of those people would not be affected whatsoever. Neither would their descendants. It's a phenomena scientists still don't understand. That's like saying that if you put 100 people in an oven at 4000C, 50 people would walk out alive and unscathed....WTF?
So again, I do believe you. And I do know these weird things CAN happen as I'm friends with one of those kinds of people. But still, those cases are few and far in between and the chances that my 4 friends had this freakish tolerance is astronomically slim.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: dtowntoker]
#15194378 - 10/08/11 12:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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dtowntoker said: You don't want a single spore's mycelium, you want a mating of two spores' mycelium. Each spore contains different genetics. Agar is to help you get clean cultures of good growth.
Guess I better start learning how to grow mycelium cultures on agar then....I'm up for that!
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194405 - 10/08/11 01:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You probably just got some shiesty spores. My only other advice would be to give Penis Envy a shot. Or even better, an active Panaeolus species. Your friends will not be complaining.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15194413 - 10/08/11 01:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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BACK TO TOPIC: I'm still unfamiliar with the concept of MS (which I'm guessing means MultiSpore). How exactly is a syringe of the spores of one species of mushroom a multi-spore? Aren't they the same strain? And if you mean multi-spore as in multiple spores of the same strain, then how exactly do you isolate a SINGLE spore in an agar solution? I'm probably not making any sense so if anyone would care to shed some light on this issue, I'm sure all noobs to mycology would appreciate it.
I'm actually enjoying the opportunity to learn this. This was frustrating at first but now I'm glad to have this run in with the unexpectedness of science. TEACH ME TEACH ME!!!
Yep MS means multi-spore. Basically if you collect spores from one mushroom you get a bunch of spores that have all kinds of different traits.
If you were to put a drop of spores in a petri dish on some kind of growing medium, you would have a bunch of spores mate and the mycelium that grew would be full of tons of genetic traits. It takes two spores to complete a mating and for mycelium to grow. So when there are a bunch of spores finding mated and growing, you can imagine the diverse genetics that could happen. So on a petri dish, the mycelium grows outward from the point the spores germinate from. You would then take samples from several points on the leading outside edge of the growth. For instance 1'oclock, 2, 3, 4, etc, and then transfer those samples into each of their won petri dish.
After they grew for a few days, you would repeat the process for each plate. After a few transfers you'll start to see some real nice rhizmorphic or "ropey" growth and you begin to see sectors. This is when some real progress is made. Again you transfer mycelium from the leading edge of each sector until the mycelium doesn't show any more sectors. At that point you know you have an isolate of a set limited genes.
You would then test each isolate by growing it and see what each iso is. Some may be dark or light. Some may look like a pointy wizards hat (lol). Some may be potent or weak ... or even bunk. Some by not fruit at all! But when you grow out an iso its guaranteed that all your fruits will be very similar and you don't have to worry about the varying genetics.
EDIT: That's a "in a nutshell" explanation.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
#15195066 - 10/08/11 08:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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prismism said: You probably just got some shiesty spores. My only other advice would be to give Penis Envy a shot. Or even better, an active Panaeolus species. Your friends will not be complaining.
So, some species of mushroom have better yields of potency than others?
winged_1: Thank you for your informative post. I'm actually very interested in trying to cultivate mushrooms via agar isolation. It sounds very interesting. If anything, that's probably the first steps to genetic engineering... That could take a lot of time though so I'll have to see how I'll incorporate it into my schedule.
BTW: Is the process of cultivating the Panaeolus species the same for Cubensis? Is it easier/harder to grow? Are they more tolerant/vulnerable to contamination? And, are they definitely very potent? I'd like to read more about that species....
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15195116 - 10/08/11 08:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it also possible that when I put the dried mushrooms in a ziplock that was slightly opened in a sealed jar of desiccant, they lose their potency because it wasn't air/vacuum sealed? I didn't know this before but I stumbled on some info that says exposure to oxygen/air makes the mushrooms lose their potency. If that's the case, then maybe that is to blame and not genetics.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15195192 - 10/08/11 09:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pans are harder but more potent. I wouldn't say they are more or less prone to contam. You need manure in your substrate and they need to be cased.
I keep my dried mushooms bagged in separate doses within my desiccant chamber with the bags open and see no ill effects.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Wing]
#15195203 - 10/08/11 09:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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winged_1 said: Pans are harder but more potent. I wouldn't say they are more or less prone to contam. You need manure in your substrate and they need to be cased.
I keep my dried mushooms bagged in separate doses within my desiccant chamber with the bags open and see no ill effects.
That's good to know. Let's me know I'm not doing anything wrong. Also, I've always wanted to know: What do you call growing mushrooms on those trays as in this picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cyanescens ?
I want to know how to grow mushrooms like that instead of dealing with cakes.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15195232 - 10/08/11 09:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would call that a tray. IMO if you are going to go through the process of making a bulk substrate then you might as well make a monotub unless space is an issue. If you arent familiar with a monotub then check out this link: How TL does it
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15195388 - 10/08/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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try them yourself...
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15195397 - 10/08/11 10:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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maaan u sound kinda pissed ahaha, chill out. people are giving you good advice, just take it. no need to argue...
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15195430 - 10/08/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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XeR0 said: An eighth should've had them tripping balls
5 grams is the way to go with cubes (RR says that he takes 7 grams). 3.5 is a shot in the dark: Sometimes you have a strong trip but most of the times you just end up watching a movie. And when you can watch a movie, you are not tripping
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Kevin_X2]
#15197504 - 10/08/11 07:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kevin_X2 said: maaan u sound kinda pissed ahaha, chill out. people are giving you good advice, just take it. no need to argue...
Lol, I like how instead of arguing with me, I just got ignored. Then everyone just resaid what I said and I still got ignored. Haha, it's fun being the new guy.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Viking14]
#15197922 - 10/08/11 08:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kevin_X2 said: maaan u sound kinda pissed ahaha, chill out. people are giving you good advice, just take it. no need to argue...
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Viking14 said: Lol, I like how instead of arguing with me, I just got ignored. Then everyone just resaid what I said and I still got ignored. Haha, it's fun being the new guy. 
I'm not arguing with anybody. All of your replies were helpful and relevant and I thank you all for that. The fact that you took the time to visit my thread, listen to what I'm complaining about, AND reply sincerely is a sign that you're all willing to help...and I'm grateful for that.
Viking14: Yes, you're reply was actually quite helpful. I just checked it again and found that you edited it. I didn't notice that before.
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LeopardMan said: 5 grams is the way to go with cubes (RR says that he takes 7 grams). 3.5 is a shot in the dark: Sometimes you have a strong trip but most of the times you just end up watching a movie. And when you can watch a movie, you are not tripping 
I'll probably take 5 grams sometime soon to see how that will do. If the trip is up to par with the dosage, then I know I have to recalibrate my mental scale on how many grams of cubes one should take for a given trip level.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15198160 - 10/08/11 09:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you split 3.5 grams between three people or give each person 3.5 g? Also, i have noticed with MS cubes it's usually not mind blowing. I can easily go through 4 or 5 grams and still handle fine. If you wanna get fucked up take more or get PE or try other species that are known to be stronger (mostly coprophilics).
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Stusi] 1
#15198379 - 10/08/11 11:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Multi-Spore genetics are like newborn twins... They are birthed from the same "mother" at the same time... but given time to grow they both develop there own individual traits, looks and feelings.
Isolating on agar allows you to select "good" sectors of agar grown mycelium that have certain traits, looks and feelings. It is impossible of course to isolate a single spore and detrimental to do so.
So like one of the above posters stated, you need to start with spores on an agar plate, let that germinate and grow out. Then transfer different sectors of that very plate to like 10 more plates and let them grow out. Some will even transfer a third time although I dont.
What you end up with is 10 (or more) different agar plates, all with the same species/strain but each with its own characteristics. Take a wedge from each plate and transfer it to its own grain jar, let that jar colonize and fruit it.
Do this with ALL your plates individually so you will know what each individual plate will produce. Pick the best one and you have your isolated strain. Place a wedge of it in a culture slant and save it for future use.
Hope this helps, and I am no expert by any means, but I do work with agar on occasion
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Big Pappa]
#15198479 - 10/08/11 11:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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It sounds to me that you are trying to say that 2+2=4, no matter what, but that is just not the case with hallucinogenics. "Tripping" is not one specific set of experiences. It can be anything for anybody. Just because you don't "see" things with your eyes doesn't mean that you didn't see anything. Maybe you focus on a visual experience has caused you to miss something else that could be far more mind blowing than you could ever perceive with your eyes. Ya dig?
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: LeopardMan]
#15198930 - 10/09/11 04:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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5 grams is the way to go with cubes (RR says that he takes 7 grams). 3.5 is a shot in the dark: Sometimes you have a strong trip but most of the times you just end up watching a movie. And when you can watch a movie, you are not tripping 

5 grams and no worries no hurries...and music
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Stusi]
#15199687 - 10/09/11 10:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stusi said: Did you split 3.5 grams between three people or give each person 3.5 g? Also, i have noticed with MS cubes it's usually not mind blowing. I can easily go through 4 or 5 grams and still handle fine. If you wanna get fucked up take more or get PE or try other species that are known to be stronger (mostly coprophilics).
Of course. I gave each person 3.5g. I'm thinking of getting both Penis Envy strain and the Panaeolus cyanescens. Would like to try those.
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kcbennie said: It sounds to me that you are trying to say that 2+2=4, no matter what, but that is just not the case with hallucinogenics. "Tripping" is not one specific set of experiences. It can be anything for anybody. Just because you don't "see" things with your eyes doesn't mean that you didn't see anything. Maybe you focus on a visual experience has caused you to miss something else that could be far more mind blowing than you could ever perceive with your eyes. Ya dig?
I agree to an extent. Don't forget that science still operates even when one is tripping. 2+2 WILL ALWAYS EQUAL 4...either tripping or sober. I agree that experiences are very subjective. But a certain dosage of something should've yielded a certain result. If psychedelics were purely subjective, people would be "seeing shit" on very low doses (if they willed it to) just as people would only get buzz effects on high doses (if they willed it to). Dosages would not be reliable then.
My point is that we rely on dosages for a reason. The main culprit here is the amount of psilocybin in the mushrooms...not the amount of mushrooms they took. It's all good though. We've finished that discussion a couple of posts ago...
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15199694 - 10/09/11 10:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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XeR0 said: 2+2 WILL ALWAYS EQUAL 4...either tripping or sober.
hmmm, im not so sure.
did you know that .99999(repeating) = 1
and electrons can take the form of a particle AND a wave.
hmmmmm, this reality seems not so consistent.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: k00laid]
#15199742 - 10/09/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, im not sure your understanding correctly...
In this case, 2 + 2 definitely doesn't equal four.
You need to take into account body chemistry, individual mushroom potency, and the general effect that shrooms has on each individual person. Not to mention each persons subjective reality, which is much different then you might think.
Eating 2.5-3.5 grams of shrooms doesn't necessarily guarantee anything to anyone. There are so many variables to take into account that you might as well just not even try and think about it.
My motto: Eat shrooms, be happy.
Go for 7 grams if you wanna see crazy shit and have a wild time. Thats what I've been doing lately, and i have a greater appreciation for shrooms then ever.
Pussyfooting around at low doses is a recipe for disappointment. At that level, you should expect anything more then some good laughs, good feelings, and good times.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Kevin_X2]
#15199812 - 10/09/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my personal experience, I usually take 2 - 2.5 grams to sit around and chill on. The experience is NEVER the consistent even with booms from the same flush. Like Kevin and Koolaide said, there are a mind boggling amount of factors to consider when analyzing your experience. If I want to, I can make visuals happen completely sober (like looking at 3d art). But I can take 5 - 7 grams and ONLY get visuals if I try to get them. I have NEVER had visuals on mushrooms where I hallucinated something that wasn't there, it's always more of a perception distortion. Things just look like I've never seen them before. Kind of like all the names that I've been given for everything in reality looses meaning and I have to experience the essence of everything and name it truly. A tree in it's natural state is an amazing visual experience to a blind man who is suddenly given the sense of sight. Expectations lead to disappointments. If you want science, get some acid. If you want nature, eat boomers!
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: kcbennie]
#15199907 - 10/09/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I understand that 3g of shrooms doesn't guarantee anything...as was the case with my friends. Can't deny that. But whatever, next time, it's 5+...let's just hope it ain't too much 
You're right about that kcbennie. Acid is definitely a much more calculating/scientific experience. Mushrooms are more naturey and blissful. Acid can be blissful too but in it's own way.
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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
#15199910 - 10/09/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol this should be called the "why you should make an isolate" thread. I actually have had slight problems myself with my cubes not being too potent. People just laugh real hard from them. My friend literally ate like 10.2g dry of my cubes and he tripped but not like he should've that's for sure.
Either make a good isolate, or grow PE or pan cyans. OR....if you live in the pnw you can go pick some psilocybe cyans real soon here. Those blow your fuckin mind. I'm honestly too afraid to eat more than 3.5grams because how intense it would get. Pan cyans are a tropical species and can be grown indoors like the pic you posted earlier on the tray but they are just as potent as psilocybe cyans even though they are so small.
1g dry psilocybe cyans on haloween night had me feeling like I was a walking gridlock or someshit and I kept seeing OEV of some weird other dimensional shit like I would experience on dmt or something...while walking down the road on the way home on haloween
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Isolating genetic traits sounds very exciting to me. I'm definitely gonna plan to do that over the vacation.
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