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Mushrooms not potent
    #15194101 - 10/07/11 11:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So today, I trip-sit 4 of my friends who decided to try shrooms for their first time. I weighed about 3.5g for three of them and about 2.5g for one of them who had to go to work later that day. They all had a great time and laughed their asses off. However, one thing frustrated me the most: they had no visuals whatsoever. Not even CEV's. Perhaps they weren't patient to sit and actually wait for them but still...an eight should've done SOMETHING.

An eighth should've had them tripping balls and yet they had no visuals or anything. Just giggling their asses off on the train and in the park.

Why aren't my mushrooms potent?! I fan dried them just fine. No heat whatsoever affected them. I further dried them in a jar of desiccant (calcium chloride). They were cracker dry and quite ready to be consumed. But why weren't they potent? I'm really scratching my head over this one. An eighth should have had those dudes tripping....and all they get is fits of giggles and a better appreciation for nature. No breathing, no warping, no shifts in perception. They still had a great time and they didn't pay for anything so it was no loss for them. But still, I felt quite bad that they didn't get the experience level they should have. I'm quite literally in a WHAT THE FUCK situation here....please help me out and let me know what I doing wrong or at least what I can do to fix this.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194116 - 10/07/11 11:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Did you use a clone or isolate?

If not, throwing dice with MS genetics.

Such is life...eat more next time :thumbup:

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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: ely2121]
    #15194131 - 10/07/11 11:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

These are cakes inoculated from spores I bought from Sporeworks. These are the same spores I used to make the cakes that were responsible for my first trip. I took 15g of fresh shrooms and I had a medium experience with some breathing, morphing, CEV's, and some animations of geometric objects in the dark.

In any case, these aren't questionable spores. These are the same spores that had me tripping my first time. Regardless of anything of what I just said, why weren't these shrooms potent?! These are Golden Teachers...they should've done SOMETHING...I'm really quite frustrated about this and in dire need of a good explanation.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194146 - 10/07/11 11:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Some people just dont get visuals...
I know a few people that have eaten alot more than an 8th and tripped their heads off but not gotten visuals.
Me personally get great visuals on mushies, but have never had them on Lsd, and ive tried eating a ton.. I think it just depends on the person...


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194151 - 10/07/11 11:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Because it is multi spore, you never know what spores are going to link up and fruit. This is of course over simplifying the fungus life cycle. But that is the the bottom line. The same syringe may make big fruits and small fruits, slow growth/fast growth, as well as potent fruits and weak fruits.

Edit:

To better explain, A human male has sperm with a specific genetic code. All his sperm will be the same. Likewise for the human female egg. Mix the two together and you get a combo of those genetic traits.

With a spore syringe or print, what you get is much more complicated than male and female. On top of that each spore may have different characteristics. This is the (again, simplified) reason multispore is unpredictable and isolates are raved about so much.

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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194179 - 10/07/11 11:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids

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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: SteezMe]
    #15194180 - 10/07/11 11:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Some people just dont get visuals...
I know a few people that have eaten alot more than an 8th and tripped their heads off but not gotten visuals.
Me personally get great visuals on mushies, but have never had them on Lsd, and ive tried eating a ton.. I think it just depends on the person...



Were those shrooms known to be potent? The same question goes for the acid. I'd usually blame it on potency/dosage. If you don't have visuals on LSD or shrooms, then either the dosage was low (acid) or the potency was low (shrooms). 200mcg of acid will fuck up anybody...it's science. You can't tell me that an eighth of DEFINITELY POTENT shrooms didn't do shit for somebody unless they either had tolerance (from a recent trip) or they're taking some chemicals that prevent it from working.

My point is that there's a limit to how tolerant you are of something. And the chances of being one of those freakishly tolerant people is slim to none. We're talking about 4 people having the same level "trip". There's obviously a pattern here: the shrooms they took (the ones I've waited a long ass time to grow) were not potent. This makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: infamouscube]
    #15194183 - 10/08/11 12:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids



I tripped pretty good on my first grows' first flush. 15g fresh is a bit less than half an eighth....and I still had CEV's, warping, breathing, and animations as well as slight sound distortions. I'm not saying you're wrong....I'm just saying that "rule" didn't apply in my situation.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194228 - 10/08/11 12:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You didn't do anything wrong. It MS man, it happens. Whatever genetics you had in your cakes must have not been what you were looking for. You basically took 1 billion eggs and 1 billion sperm and ended up with some babies that had bad genes. It was just bad luck on your dice roll.

To have that not happen again you need to place a drop of your spore solution on agar and transfer a crap load of sectors until you have a crap load of different isolates and then grow out each iso and find the one that you prefer and just work with that iso.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194229 - 10/08/11 12:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

it can still vary as in go up or down from flush to flush

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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: infamouscube]
    #15194234 - 10/08/11 12:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids




Bullshit.



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it can still vary as in go up or down from flush to flush




More true the first statement.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: infamouscube]
    #15194244 - 10/08/11 12:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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may or may not contain alkaloids




:dudewtf:


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: Wing]
    #15194257 - 10/08/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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You didn't do anything wrong. It MS man, it happens. Whatever genetics you had in your cakes must have not been what you were looking for. You basically took 1 billion eggs and 1 billion sperm and ended up with some babies that had bad genes. It was just bad luck on your dice roll.

To have that not happen again you need to place a drop of your spore solution on agar and transfer a crap load of sectors until you have a crap load of different isolates and then grow out each iso and find the one that you prefer and just work with that iso.



Wow. That makes sense. But still...it's one of those coincidental things that just make your head itch. Why of all times, of all places, and of all cakes did destiny decide for the first flush of one of my cakes to be weak shrooms? Makes you wonder, what if I had sold those shrooms? How much of a rip off would I look to those guys? I'm an honest person when it comes to selling shit. Definitely wouldn't want that to happen.

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the first flush sometimes is the weakest and may or may not contain alkaloids




Bullshit.



I was thinking the same thing.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194258 - 10/08/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

P. Cubensis is more of a mental trip. If you want good visuals then smoke DMT.



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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
    #15194292 - 10/08/11 12:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Those crystals look like a grain jar after a good shake.:lol:


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
    #15194298 - 10/08/11 12:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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P. Cubensis is more of a mental trip. If you want good visuals then smoke DMT.





DMT is something I'm already familiar with and have tried dozens of times. No doubt, DMT never lets you down...at least 99% of the time.

BTW: Very off-topic; are those crystals from a re-X? If so, how did you get it to be so defined. My crystals usually turn out powdery and in small clusters.

BACK TO TOPIC: I'm still unfamiliar with the concept of MS (which I'm guessing means MultiSpore). How exactly is a syringe of the spores of one species of mushroom a multi-spore? Aren't they the same strain? And if you mean multi-spore as in multiple spores of the same strain, then how exactly do you isolate a SINGLE spore in an agar solution? I'm probably not making any sense so if anyone would care to shed some light on this issue, I'm sure all noobs to mycology would appreciate it.

I'm actually enjoying the opportunity to learn this. This was frustrating at first but now I'm glad to have this run in with the unexpectedness of science. TEACH ME TEACH ME!!!


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: prismism]
    #15194317 - 10/08/11 12:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

my source of the info is taken from a book that's 5 years old "psilocybin mushroom handbook" i'm not saying that its 100% accurate and some of the info is dated. and to answer your question different spores contain slightly different genetics like everything biological  and thus there traits vary thats why ppl try to isolate good genetics on agar

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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194331 - 10/08/11 12:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You don't want a single spore's mycelium, you want a mating of two spores' mycelium.  Each spore contains different genetics.  Agar is to help you get clean cultures of good growth.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194337 - 10/08/11 12:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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BTW: Very off-topic; are those crystals from a re-X? If so, how did you get it to be so defined. My crystals usually turn out powdery and in small clusters.




I used a very simple straight to base extraction. The plant material itself was quality, that's why it was such a good pull.


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Re: Mushrooms not potent [Re: XeR0]
    #15194341 - 10/08/11 12:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Some people just dont get visuals...
I know a few people that have eaten alot more than an 8th and tripped their heads off but not gotten visuals.
Me personally get great visuals on mushies, but have never had them on Lsd, and ive tried eating a ton.. I think it just depends on the person...



Were those shrooms known to be potent? The same question goes for the acid. I'd usually blame it on potency/dosage. If you don't have visuals on LSD or shrooms, then either the dosage was low (acid) or the potency was low (shrooms). 200mcg of acid will fuck up anybody...it's science. You can't tell me that an eighth of DEFINITELY POTENT shrooms didn't do shit for somebody unless they either had tolerance (from a recent trip) or they're taking some chemicals that prevent it from working.

My point is that there's a limit to how tolerant you are of something. And the chances of being one of those freakishly tolerant people is slim to none. We're talking about 4 people having the same level "trip". There's obviously a pattern here: the shrooms they took (the ones I've waited a long ass time to grow) were not potent. This makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong.




Well i am not going to argue, drugs affect people in different ways.. I have eaten very potent acid and never gotten so much as squiglies in my eyes.
My father who was around when acid was actually ACID and was an every other day tripper and has very strong visual, auditory and sensory experiences with, has been fed more than 3/4 of an ounce of PF's that we all ate just 8ths of and tripped like mad men, him on the other hand had no effects whatsoever. You can disagree with that all you want but one day you will meet someone that you can just burn mushies into and wont feel a thing. Me and him actually have a bet going hahaha when i feed him some that make him trip he is going to owe me 500 bucks. But this bet has been going on for the last 8 years and still... No results, not even a head change


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