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[OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights
    #14237088 - 04/04/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights
April 4, 2011 - kval.com

WHITE CITY, OR - Cynthia Willis calls up and down the firing range to be sure everyone knows she is shooting, squares up in a two-handed stance with her Walther P-22 automatic pistol and fires off a clip in rapid succession.

Willis is not only packing a concealed handgun permit in her wallet, she also has a medical marijuana card. That combination has led the local sheriff to try to take her gun permit away.

She is part of what is considered the first major court case in the country to consider whether guns and marijuana can legally mix.

The sheriffs of Washington and Jackson counties say no.

But Willis and three co-plaintiffs have won in state court twice, with the state's rights to regulate concealed weapons trumping federal gun control law in each decision.

With briefs filed and arguments made, they are now waiting for the Oregon Supreme Court to rule.

When it's over, the diminutive 54-year-old plans to still be eating marijuana cookies to deal with her arthritis pain and muscle spasms, and carrying her pistol.

"Under the medical marijuana law, I am supposed to be treated as any other citizen in this state," she said. "If people don't stand up for their little rights, all their big rights will be gone."

A retired school bus driver, Willis volunteers at a Medford smoke shop that helps medical marijuana patients find growers, and teaches how to get the most medical benefit out of the pound-and-a-half of pot that card carriers are allowed to possess. She believes that her marijuana oils, cookies and joints should be treated no differently than any other prescribed medicines. She said she doesn't use them when she plans to drive, or carry her gun.

"That's as stupid as mixing alcohol and weapons,"' she said.

Oregon sheriffs are not happy about the state's medical marijuana law.

"The whole medical marijuana issue is a concern to sheriffs across the country who are involved in it mainly because there is so much potential for abuse or for misuse and as a cover for organized criminal activity," said Washington County Sheriff Rob Gordon, who became part of the Willis case because his office turned down three medical marijuana patients in the Portland suburbs for concealed handgun permits. "You can't argue that people aren't misusing that statute in Oregon.

"Not everybody, of course. Some have real medical reasons. But ...the larger group happens be people who are very clearly abusing it."

The sheriffs argue that the 1968 U.S. Gun Control Act prohibits selling firearms to drug addicts, and they say that includes medical marijuana card holders. Their briefs state that they cannot give a permit to carry a gun to someone prohibited from buying or owning a gun.

But the cardholders have won so far arguing this is one situation where federal law does not trump state law, because the concealed handgun license just gives a person a legal defense if they are arrested, not a right.

Oregon's attorney general has sided with the marijuana cardholders, arguing that the concealed handgun license cannot be used to buy a gun, so sheriffs who issue one to a marijuana card holder are not in violation of the federal law.

Willis' lawyer, Leland Berger, says it is much simpler.

The sheriffs "are opposed to the medical marijuana act," Berger said from Portland. "It's not based on reason. That's how they are."

Rural southern Oregon is awash with marijuana - legal and illegal. Arrests for illegal plantations are commonplace. The region's six counties also have the highest rate of medical marijuana use in the state. There are also a lot of guns in the Rogue Valley, where Willis lives.

Sixteen states now have medical marijuana laws, according to NORML, an advocacy group. There is no way to determine how many medical marijuana cardholders also have gun permits. Patient lists are confidential, and an Oregon court ruled the sheriffs can't look at them.

NORML executive director Allen St. Pierre said Oregon courts have not been entirely medical marijuana friendly. While they have upheld the right to pack a pistol, they have also ruled that employers can fire people who use medical marijuana.

"A person who uses medical cannabis should not have to give up their fundamental rights as enumerated by the Constitution,"' St. Pierre said.

Gordon said he expects the gun issue to come up in other states with medical marijuana laws.

Oregon was the first state in the country to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana, with legislation enacted in 1973. And it was right behind California in making medical marijuana legal when voters approved a ballot measure in 1998. But voters here stopped short of following California all the way to selling medical marijuana to cardholders at dispensaries. A ballot measure failed last year, so patients still have to grow their own or get someone else to grow it for them at cost, with no profit margin.

Oregon is one of 37 states where the sheriff has to give a concealed handgun permit to anyone meeting the list of criteria, though they have some discretion to say what those criteria are. They generally require people to be 21, a U.S. citizen, pass a gun safety course, and have no criminal record or history of mental illness, drug or alcohol abuse, or domestic violence.

The issue doesn't really come up in California, where concealed handgun licenses are much harder to get.

If Willis loses, she plans to carry her pistol out in the open, in a holster on her hip, which is, under Oregon law, perfectly legal.

"I've been done harm in my life and it won't ever happen again,"' she said about her reasons for wanting the gun. "I've never had to draw it"'

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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: veggie]
    #14237102 - 04/04/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thats kinda funny, cause I am certified armed guard:minigun:.. but Im usually packing a bowl:ganja:..


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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: orison]
    #14237308 - 04/04/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The sheriffs argue that the 1968 U.S. Gun Control Act prohibits selling firearms to drug addicts, and they say that includes medical marijuana card holders. Their briefs state that they cannot give a permit to carry a gun to someone prohibited from buying or owning a gun.




booze= drug, so how many sheriffs should not have guns being booze addicts?


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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: argg]
    #14237484 - 04/04/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think the federal government should let states vote on their own laws like they have been. stay the fuck outta it. hypocritical ass obama. give that shit up dude. you even smoked weed. often as possible. if george bush could do whatever and we couldn't say shit then why the fuck can't obama? Oh yeah, re-election. i will not be voting this time asshole.

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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: joshisstoned]
    #14237995 - 04/04/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

although i think medical marijuana users are just as entitled to own a gun as anyone else, right now we should work on ending the drug war before we add a whole new issue. were making progress, and should just keep it up without adding new goals and ways for the opposition to manipulate the... "impressionable people" that make up most of the american public

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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: Tritium]
    #14240321 - 04/05/11 05:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"The sheriffs "are opposed to the medical marijuana act," Berger said from Portland. "It's not based on reason. That's how they are.""


At least some one knows whats up

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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: veggie]
    #14240787 - 04/05/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

people legally growing their own pot get beaten down and robbed as well...It is bad enough that police still on occasion bust down their doors and destroy everything.at least let them defend themselves from the crooks without badges.


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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: veggie]
    #14240961 - 04/05/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The sheriff of Jackson County Mike Winters is a fucking Joe Arpaio wanna be. I think he would suck his cock if he had the chance.

The only good thing I remember him doing was trying to block the press from getting the CCW list. I think he lost in court though.

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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: 4runner]
    #14243069 - 04/05/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The sheriffs argue that the 1968 U.S. Gun Control Act prohibits selling firearms to drug addicts, and they say that includes medical marijuana card holders.





HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: veggie]
    #15191298 - 10/07/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like it's on it's way to be heard in the Supreme Court. So far all the lower courts have sided with Cynthia Willis.

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October 6, 2011
MEDFORD, Ore. -- The local case over medical marijuana and concealed gun licenses has passed one of the most difficult steps on its way to being heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The U.S. Supreme Court hears anywhere from 8 to 10,000 possible cases each year. Up to 80% of those petitions are dismissed on initial review, but this local petition has passed this hurdle.

Cynthia Willis, of Gold Hill, is a medical marijuana cardholder. When she applied for a concealed handgun license, Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters, who stated under federal law that he cannot grant her the permit, denied her the license.

After both the Circuit Court and Oregon Supreme Court both ruled in her favor, Sheriff Winters turned to the U.S. Supreme Court. The petition landed in the cert pool, where law clerks and court staff review all the petitions that are filed. Although there are many disagreements, the two parties have agreed this progress is significant.


In the first week of October 18, the court dismissed hundred petitions. Winters' petition is one of the very few that made the cut. Willis' lawyer will now have to respond to the Sheriff's petition by October 31st. Once it is filed, they believe they will have a decision sometime in November.

http://kdrv.com/news/local/226964




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Re: [OR] Medical marijuana users fight for gun rights [Re: veggie]
    #19462716 - 01/23/14 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's ridiculous that people have to fight for the right to carry a gun while managing pain.

I don't see anyone's concealed carry permits getting pulled after they get out of surgery and get prescribed some heavy pain killers. I don't see why the state is trying to pull somebodies permit for the fact that they are utilizing a medication that is going to make a person far more passive.

I hate the ignorance of those who enforce the law and create the law...

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