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Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture?
    #15185343 - 10/06/11 08:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What can cause tiny shrooms other than lack of moisture in the substrate and lack of FAE? I've read a million times, lack of FAE will give you skinny stems and maybe small mushrooms, and lack of moisture will give you small mushrooms. I don't have either. I fan as much as I can, 6-10 times a day and I have a proper SGFC. My cakes just came out of a second dunk a few days ago and they feel moist. I thought this would correct the problem, and I did get a lot more pins after this dunk, but when I checked this morning I found another 1" mushroom with it's veil torn. :frown:

I have another post with the whole story http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15142633 but only one person is still following it (Thanks LeopardMan!!!) I need some answers, this is so confusing!

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: poisonivy]
    #15185355 - 10/06/11 08:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Genetics and substrate nutritional content.

Do you have lots of little mushrooms?

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15185392 - 10/06/11 08:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Too much moisture, genetics, substrate medium...


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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15185483 - 10/06/11 08:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't really have a lot, I got 6 before the second dunk (out of 7 cakes). Now I have one tiny mushroom and a bunch of pins -average of 7 per cake maybe.

I did the BRF PF TEK so my nutritional content should be great. I added 1tsp gypsum per jar.

I didn't know too much moisture could cause them to be small. I know that could cause them to rot or abort or not pin well though. Do you know where I could read that?

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: poisonivy]
    #15185506 - 10/06/11 08:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Size of substrate also plays an important roll in fruit size.


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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: applesmasher420]
    #15188250 - 10/06/11 06:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i have had 2 cakes now with small shrooms

these ones didnt grow much more than what's in the pic

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15188468 - 10/06/11 07:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

wise man said......its not the size of the boat.....its the motion of the ocean.....kinda like what the chics say when they see captain winkie


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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: pierced074]
    #15188493 - 10/06/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've ended up with tiny shrooms before too. In my case it was due to an underlying contamination problem. Was like the myceliums last ditch effort to hurry up and try to multiply before death.

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15188568 - 10/06/11 07:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes the shrooms just grow small. :shrug:


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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: Masticore]
    #15188908 - 10/06/11 08:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They are a lot smaller than most of those Jaffy. Out of 6 total I've had 0.4 grams dried.

I suppose it could be contams but they colonized beautifully. Actually the mycelium did look a little thin but it fully colonized within 2 weeks, no stalling or anything.

I don't think that cubes ever "just" grow this small without an underlying problem :frown: less than 1 inch?

Thanks for all your ideas, I hope I figure this out soon! Wish me luck :mushroom2:

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: poisonivy]
    #15188929 - 10/06/11 08:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

oh snap thats small

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15189060 - 10/06/11 09:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Apologies if I missed it, was it multispore???

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #15189340 - 10/06/11 10:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Apologies if I missed it, was it multispore???




Unfortunately it's still going on. I hope to wake up in the morning to some tall shrooms! It was multispore Cambodian.

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: Caribbean_Commanch]
    #15189400 - 10/06/11 10:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Im going through the same experience. I wish I fixed my small mushroom problem (:grin:) so I could give you some advice but so far I have had no luck there. It seems that the size of my mushrooms hasn't effected overall yield. For example, so far 3 cakes have put out +30 grams dried in small mushrooms with a few medium/large ones.

If I had to guess with my grow I would say it's genetics. I don't know if your grow is multispore or isolate but I'm starting to think I just cloned a tiny mushroom, although that doesn't really explain the 2 big ones I got. I was following your other thread when it started and the first thing that came to mind was waterlogged cakes but that is just kind of a wild guess.

I understand how you are feeling though, I wanted regular healthy looking mushrooms too! I'm not too worried about it though, like somebody said in my thread, "well now you get to try again, and what is more fun than that!"

@JaffyJaffar  congrats, those cakes look rad  :dancer:

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: pierced074]
    #15189418 - 10/06/11 10:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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wise man said......its not the size of the boat.....its the motion of the ocean.....




lol, yeah, but it sure takes a long time to get from the US to Europe in a ROWBOAT!!! :laugh2:


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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: menelaus]
    #15189432 - 10/06/11 10:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Genetics and substrate size.

Cakes can only hold so much water, being that mushrooms are mostly water, their size relates to the amount of water they have at their disposal. But even with high water content, genetics could shit on you.

When I do cakes I generally get small mushrooms, but that's because I get pin sets that cover the entire cake. Doesn't sound like you're having too good of yields, so that can't be your answer.

I think you're just suffering from bad genetics due to multispore inoculation. Keep trying, and when you get a nice fruit don't forget to clone it!

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: menelaus]
    #15189466 - 10/06/11 10:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Look what I found!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11685934#11685934
RR says too much water can cause small shrooms. Now I believe it. :wink:

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Im going through the same experience. I wish I fixed my small mushroom problem (:grin:) so I could give you some advice but so far I have had no luck there. It seems that the size of my mushrooms hasn't effected overall yield. For example, so far 3 cakes have put out +30 grams dried in small mushrooms with a few medium/large ones.





30 grams for 3 cakes! I would SO not mind small shrooms if that's what I got! Do you notice an increase in potency when they are smaller?

I don't think it's bad genetics, there has to be a better explanation. There is a wicked fat pin that's been threatening to grow for days now, but it's not getting taller. The tiny mature mushrooms I've gotten have been thin and short. Not like this fat one.

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: poisonivy]
    #15189540 - 10/06/11 11:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Lots of people have been saying small mushrooms are more potent but I haven't tried them yet so I have no idea. Also +30 grams was a bit reckless of me to say, it's probably more like 20-25 grams. Sorry, I'm just compensating for my small shroom problem  :laugh2:

I think the waterlogged theory is a good starting point. Since you have so many cakes you might want to try leaving one cake outside your SGFC for 1-2 days to see if it explodes with pins or something.

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: menelaus]
    #15189668 - 10/06/11 11:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's the whole problem with multispore. The genetics are all different. Therefore, each mushroom will be different. You might get a few big mushrooms, and a bunch of tiny ones. Every spore you shot into the jar (keep in mind that spores are microscopic, and so you're talking hundreds of spores) has different genetics.

If you have good FAE, 12/12 lighting cycle, and 99% humidity, you generally get a nice pinset and nice fruits. If you have these things in check, and you're getting poor results, and you're dealing with MS inoculation, its genetics.

EDIT: Smaller fruits are only more potent by volume. A 1 gram mushroom will not contain as much Psilocybin as 10 mushrooms that weigh 1 gram. In this sense, small mushrooms are pretty cool. I recently did a grow off of 1/4 pint cakes, and the fruits were pretty small, ranging from 3-4 inches in length, and 1 gram is about 15 mushrooms. I ate a gram and tripped my balls off for about 6 hours. It becomes cool when you hand an eighth off to your friend, and tell them to eat the whole thing. Haha.

Edited by Jonow (10/06/11 11:49 PM)

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Re: Other causes for small mushrooms? Not FAE or moisture? [Re: Jonow]
    #15189689 - 10/06/11 11:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

These look even bigger than mine man, no joke. I also have a really small fc fruiting a stealth grow i think thats my issue, plus im using paper towel and not perlite  :facepalm3: but you have perlite so yea idk genetics i guess.... keep growing multispore untill you can get the perfect shroom for cloning


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