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I rolled after first flush
    #15185399 - 10/06/11 08:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So this is my first grow and I screwed up and rolled my cake in verm again after the first flush. I know now that this was a mistake but the deed has been done and I haven't found anything about what to do in this sort of situation. should I try to remove the verm or just cross my fingers and hope that it doesn't contam? Has any one else ever made this mistake and if so how did it turn out?


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    #15185406 - 10/06/11 08:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: mclark5215]
    #15185412 - 10/06/11 08:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery!

I personally doubt that it will have many significant impacts on the later flushes, but I'm not really a cake guy. As long as you were sterile I'd say you're fine, just don't mess with it much more.


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: john6886]
    #15185433 - 10/06/11 08:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

thanks lol. i was freaking out. promised my friends they would get the second flush.


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: mclark5215]
    #15185477 - 10/06/11 08:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The common wisdom is that late rolling can give contams on the surface
of the cake an environment in which to take hold.

This does not mean that it will happen to you.

Good luck,

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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: Javadog]
    #15185548 - 10/06/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When I was doing pf tek I always rolled after each flush lol :shrug:
I thought this was the norm? :o

On another note I recently have been hearing rolling is totaly unnecissary as cubes don't benifit from a casing, is this true?


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: Javadog]
    #15185555 - 10/06/11 09:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've always rolled my cakes again after the first/second flushes with no problems. 

I believe you can also attempt to sterilize your vermiculite by placing it in the oven for a while (I never bothered) before rolling your cakes in it.  This may be a comfortable way for you to keep dunking/rolling without inviting contamination.


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: applesmasher420]
    #15185591 - 10/06/11 09:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've read I believe the verm just helps retain moisture. my substrate actually doesn't have verm mixed with it bc I didn't have any at the time. This may be why my first flush was so small idk. So you didn't have any trouble with your later flushes after rolling?


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: mclark5215]
    #15185612 - 10/06/11 09:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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From what I've read I believe the verm just helps retain moisture. my substrate actually doesn't have verm mixed with it bc I didn't have any at the time. This may be why my first flush was so small idk. So you didn't have any trouble with your later flushes after rolling?




Never! Rolling after each flush is what rr instructs us to do! And thanks for clearing that up I knew their was a reason for it, in that case though I reccomend rolling after each flush <333


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: applesmasher420]
    #15187207 - 10/06/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"Rolling after each flush is what rr instructs us to do!"

I am going to have to wait for RR to comment on this one.

...and sterilizing the verm will not change the parameters, as it is
contams on the cake that are in question, and that will be protected by
a late roll.

Disclaimer: I have not tried late rolling.  Do as you please.

JD

P.S. Change "rolling" to "dunking" and you might have a sale.


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: Javadog]
    #15187275 - 10/06/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Watch. Rr's pf tek vid he makes it quite clear to do so :thumbup: if I'm remembering correctly :p

On another note please do forgive me if I am wrong, as that is always a possibility <3

And great point about the contams being on the cake rather than the verm.


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: applesmasher420]
    #15187751 - 10/06/11 05:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No, you're correct. RR has stated that you can roll for the second flush.

I don't ever roll for the second flush because I have a different method of keeping my cakes moisturized.

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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: Jonow]
    #15188142 - 10/06/11 06:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sendin' you some good vibes! Rock on bud


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: Jonow]
    #15188196 - 10/06/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jonow said:
No, you're correct. RR has stated that you can roll for the second flush.

I don't ever roll for the second flush because I have a different method of keeping my cakes moisturized.



No he doesn't.

You're not supposed to roll after the first flush. Your risk of contamination goes way up. Think about it. The layer of verm is protecting mold spores and bacteria that landed on the cake all during the first flush. If they're exposed to the air, they have less chance of germinating. That may or may not be why they're too wet(rot), but avoid rolling after the second and later dunks.
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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: The Influence]
    #15188259 - 10/06/11 06:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up, Influence. And thanks, everyone, for the input. very helpful.


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: mclark5215]
    #15188302 - 10/06/11 07:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

And OP you can always rinse it off real quick :thumbup:

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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: The Influence]
    #15188520 - 10/06/11 07:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

My first time with PF Tek I rolled between dunks. The result was that I only got 4 flushes from my cakes. :wink:

I wouldnt make a habit of doing that, but its also not the end of the world.

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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: The Influence]
    #15188551 - 10/06/11 07:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:homerdoh3: lol I'm such a dumbass why didn't I think of that


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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: mclark5215]
    #15188587 - 10/06/11 07:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Like a couple others say you might get away with it this time, but don't make a habit of it. It's like the one time I slept with this hooker with AIDs without a condom but got lucky and didn't contract it, well I thought about it and everytime I sleep with her now I jimmy up :wink:

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Re: I rolled after first flush [Re: The Influence]
    #15188698 - 10/06/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"My bitches better be wearin jimmies" LMAO. Yeah, lesson learned.


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