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Life anxiety
    #15180141 - 10/05/11 09:08 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

You are not afraid of death alone, you are afraid of your life. And of life there are two kinds, the ever living and the temporal.



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"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: crkhd]
    #15180149 - 10/05/11 09:12 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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crkhd said:
You are not afraid of death alone, you are afraid of your life. And of life there are two kinds, the ever living and the temporal.







I agree there is also a fear of living.  It's horrifying at times. :whoa::whoa:

and of immortality that is speculation and so likely due to death anxiety. :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Icelander]
    #15180235 - 10/05/11 09:43 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

You may as well say 'All s fear', and have done with it, but fear is not the cause of fear. There is usually a belief or a level of uncertainty behind a fear (people fear that which they do not understand).

So what do we believe we are uncertain about ?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180245 - 10/05/11 09:46 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Your own evil broseph.

Not your nature but the nurture.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180257 - 10/05/11 09:50 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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You may as well say 'All s fear', and have done with it, but fear is not the cause of fear. There is usually a belief or a level of uncertainty behind a fear (people fear that which they do not understand).

So what do we believe we are uncertain about ?  :strokebeard:





We are uncertain about what death and impermanence actually is. Or if it is.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Icelander]
    #15180265 - 10/05/11 09:52 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Being unable to make what is just strong,
we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Icelander]
    #15180279 - 10/05/11 09:57 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Brainstem said:
You may as well say 'All s fear', and have done with it, but fear is not the cause of fear. There is usually a belief or a level of uncertainty behind a fear (people fear that which they do not understand).

So what do we believe we are uncertain about ?  :strokebeard:





We are uncertain about what death and impermanence actually is. Or if it is.




There it is in a nutshell, not death anxiety, not life anxiety, but an enormous tangle of what ifs ? :thumbup:


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180297 - 10/05/11 10:03 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

What if the inside of a t-rex was actually blue? Not going to lose much sleep over that. What if I forgot to turn off the gas to the stove? Probably lose some sleep over that. Probably will get up to find out.

All what-ifs are not created equal.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Kickle]
    #15180307 - 10/05/11 10:07 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, so some unknowns have more power over us than others.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180317 - 10/05/11 10:10 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah. And if you explore which ones you might just see a pattern. Especially after you learn more about death anxiety :lol:


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Kickle]
    #15180329 - 10/05/11 10:15 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

The ones that point towards pain and oblivion ?


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180343 - 10/05/11 10:22 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think a long time Christian who suddenly finds themselves asking "What if God doesn't exist?" will feel the impact of that question? Why or why not?


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #15180376 - 10/05/11 10:38 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Yes they would, because they have always believed in a continuation of their existence beyond death, be it in the form of a punishment or a reward. To suddenly entertain the possibility that regardless of their behaviour, they are going to be snuffed out like a cheap candle, would have a big impact I would think.

Fear is only a product of belief, probably a flawed one at that. This fear can be balanced by hope, which I would say is quite a fitting counter balance in finding an equilibrium. Everyone must hold hope, for if not they would buckle under fear.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180408 - 10/05/11 10:49 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

If there is no God does that mean there is no afterlife? Or just not the Christian one? It doesn't answer anything to say there is a God or isn't. We fill in what happens after death from either belief.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Kickle]
    #15180481 - 10/05/11 11:20 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

So it is the anxiety that drives our search ?,
for if we were happy with the level of certainty in our 'hoped for' beliefs,
we would have no need to search and question.

  I like " the dew drop slips into the shining sea ".

It is but a belief, but whether it be to indicate a union with the whole, or just that after death we go where many have gone before and many will follow. It, in me at least, gives reassurance.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180493 - 10/05/11 11:25 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

So it is the anxiety that drives our search ?,

I think it's the fact that there is no solid evidence for any belief about what happens after death. For every bit of evidence that exists there is counter evidence. And so no one can claim certainty on any of it. Only through willful ignorance and denial can one claim to know what happens after death. And that's certainly an option for some.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Kickle]
    #15180521 - 10/05/11 11:34 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Some do not realize the ridiculous preposterous-ness of the human condition, just the 'fact' that we're here, wherever here be, able to experience is stupendous and at the same time maddeningly paradoxical.

  Forming a coherent and objective truth relating to any of it, that is enlightenment, and that is all we can hope for in the case of death. The answers are not likely to drop in our laps however, so we must endeavour to uncover them.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
    #15180552 - 10/05/11 11:42 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I guess. I've started taking a more buddhist/taoist approach to the whole thing. I.e., "residing in the confusion". There is no answer so there is no reason to form an answer. Answers form of their own accord but they don't stick around long and they aren't important. If I reside in the confusion it all happens without snagging on itself.


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Kickle]
    #15180558 - 10/05/11 11:45 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

revelations come and go :thumbup:


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Re: Life anxiety [Re: Brainstem]
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