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hollow stems....genetic?
    #15179672 - 10/05/11 01:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

is genetics the reason for hollow stems?  B+ strand....cakes are well hydrated....rh and temp is all at optimal levels...fae is good...fc is sgfc


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: pierced074]
    #15179688 - 10/05/11 01:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:clone: clone one

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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: iliketripping]
    #15179729 - 10/05/11 02:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. Genetics. Though I wouldn't blame it on B+. Its just a name on the syringe anyway.

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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15179740 - 10/05/11 02:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i don't agree that it is genetic... i know all cubes have partially hollow stems, but on the cake i just picked i had the shrooms at the top come out very hollow and the ones on the bottom of the cake much more solid and beefy.

i think it has to do with water distribution.


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: dontkillthedj]
    #15179752 - 10/05/11 02:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think temperature plays a big role too. Cooler temps = slower growth = solid stems. But Hollow stems is definintely a genetic trait. You can clone for solid stems.

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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15179760 - 10/05/11 02:37 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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You can clone for solid stems.





really? i allways thought it was the temp thing you just described. but thats awesome if true! :awedance:


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: applesmasher420]
    #15179792 - 10/05/11 03:04 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Regarding stems:

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I've found it to be genetic.  When you start doing agar work, isolate strains and select for large, meaty, thick mushrooms that also have the other qualities you seek.  That's what you'll get every time.
RR




In this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6816067#6816067

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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15179794 - 10/05/11 03:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Very fast growth causes hollow stems.  This can be due to high temperature, or a less nutritious substrate.  If you have a nutritious substrate, growth will be slower and stems heavier.  If you have a substrate like straw, growth will be very fast, and often hollow stems form.  The same thing happens with higher than normal temps.  Growth speeds up, therefore hollow stems are more common.

The speed of growth can also have genetic variations, thus a multispore grow with several strains might have some hollow and some solid stems in the same substrate.
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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15179818 - 10/05/11 03:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Now I have to wonder. If a solid stem is cloned, then grown on straw with ideal temps. Will it still have solid stems?

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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15179927 - 10/05/11 04:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

interesting  :paradis:


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: pierced074]
    #15180634 - 10/05/11 10:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

temps have been steady 70-74...i'm thinking genetics


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: pierced074]
    #15180654 - 10/05/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

its a mix between genetics and temp

temps in the 80+ will make cubensis EXPLODE with growth

which can lead to hollow stems and cracked caps.

but, the rate of growth can also be attributed to genetics.

its never one or the other.

its always both.


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    #15180724 - 10/05/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: flameclown]
    #15180726 - 10/05/11 10:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:shrug:

moving air does nothing to cool the air.


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: k00laid]
    #15180746 - 10/05/11 10:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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moving air does nothing to cool the air.



Eh... evaporation increases when moving the air and evaporation is a cooling process. But to make any notable difference in temps through evaporation you would be pretty much drying your sub out before you got fruits.


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Re: hollow stems....genetic? [Re: Meetzu]
    #15180767 - 10/05/11 10:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Every cubensis will have some degree of a hollow stem, it is a defining trait of the species.  I don't know if it is common through the genus (Psilocybe), however


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