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Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes!
    #15177499 - 10/04/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys,
  I know someone needing help attempting a first time grow using BRF tek.  I have a few pictures of what is going on.  From the information in these forums this seems like a pretty strange situation going on.
 
This first picture is showing where the mycelium has expanded.  This expansion occured fairly rapidly after placing in a shotgun fruiting chamber.  From what i have read i believe that is normal.  However, i dont think the brown spots growing on it are.  They almost look like caps to me but arent growing outward.

In this second picture, it gives a better view of the growths with the coloration.  Also, i have circled what i think may be knots.  Can anyone confirm if that is what they are.  They developed pretty quickly but haven't changed much in the past 4 or 5 days.

In this picture, i circled what i think may be pins.  They have been that small for about 3 days with no change that i have noticed.  Is that normal?  Are they pins or are they possibly just smaller cases of whatever the colored growth in the first picture is.  They are in a completely separate are of the cake than the growth.  The growth seems to only be on that one side where it is very large.

This picture is pretty straight forward.  Just a more isolated and clear picture of the colored bumps.

Lastly, this is the humidity and temperature gauge.

Now for a little background on the grow.  When the cakes were first put in the shotgun fruiting chamber they didn't have much light.  Probably for the first week they had no light what so ever.  For the past 5 days they have had 12/12 lighting under 2500 lux of 6500k led lighting.  There were a few problems at first with temperature fluctuation raging from 68 to about 83.  For the past 3 days everything has been completely controlled.  The set up now is a computer fan on a thermostat set to keep the temperature right around 74°F.  It is heated from below with a seedling mat.  It gets fanned about 3 times a day in addition to the computer fan regularly pulling air through to keep the temperature down.  The humidity has constantly been around 99%.  All and all they have been in the fruiting chamber for a 2 weeks to the day.  I am starting to worry the cake may not fruit.  Does anyone know what is going on?  Is it possible that since it took a while to get everything controlled it just needs a week or so in the healthy environment to start fruiting.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15177544 - 10/04/11 05:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

lol all in the same post you said they were someones cakes you knew and then admitted they were yours.

Anyways, those are pins coming and week in the SGFC is not all that long. 83 degrees is kind of high for fruiting though. I believe 72-75 degrees is optimal for fruiting.

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15177558 - 10/04/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

More info on your genetics please.

Temp fluxes aren't that crucial, especially at your range. They happen in nature every night. Try not to get it above 75 for fruiting though.

Cake may not fruit because of genetics. Was it multispore? MS is a genetic crap-shoot and bunk grows happen.

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15177596 - 10/04/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it looks like you have some deformed mushies growin on the side that cake. And those are definitely pins in the other photo. I definitely have had some deformed guys in the past.

Otherwise, I don't see any contams and nothing looks too out of the ordinary. You might have too high humidity at the base of the cakes (or too low at the top) which would be why they are growing out from the bottom.

All you can do is wait, I am sure they will pick up pace or the second flush will be much bigger than the one you have atm.

Best of Luck! Cheers! :beer:

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15177600 - 10/04/11 06:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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More info on your genetics please.

Temp fluxes aren't that crucial, especially at your range. They happen in nature every night. Try not to get it above 75 for fruiting though.

Cake may not fruit because of genetics. Was it multispore? MS is a genetic crap-shoot and bunk grows happen.



He probably can't give more info on the genitics? Im guessing he has never grown before,so I would think it is safe to assume that he used MS. But to my eye those are definitely pins and primoidia forming on his cakes.

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15177613 - 10/04/11 06:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What "strain" is this?

My Penis Envy always go crazy, not from MS, though.


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: HappyHippy]
    #15177742 - 10/04/11 06:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Congrats on the pins :smile:


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: UberPea8675]
    #15177745 - 10/04/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I would agree that your Temperature is a little high for fruiting conditions. Other then that they just look like Mutants to me, could just be genetics :shrug: Best of luck.


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #15180042 - 10/05/11 06:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The strain in Blue Meanies the cubensis one.  I know that isn't the real blue meanie.  I didn't know much when i bought them.  So the deformed mushrooms, can they be eaten. Also, i forgot to mention this, but if you look at the third picture down.  To the left of the most right pin, there is some sort of green color. I have touched it there, is that bruising or a contam?

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15180054 - 10/05/11 06:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes it can be eaten, and if it turned that color after touching it more then likely its bruising :thumbup:


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #15180059 - 10/05/11 06:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It seems like that is in one other place also that im not sure i touched.  Although it is possible i touched it.  Could it be a contam, if so what are signs i need to look for to throw it out?

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15180102 - 10/05/11 06:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Its not a contaminate. Any contam would of been noticeable during the colonization period. Fully colonized cakes are almost fully contaminate resistant. No worries bro, consume all the fruits :thumbup:


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #15180143 - 10/05/11 07:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Its been said that the cubensis specimen "Blue meanie" require cooler temperatures during fruiting and colonization.

I worked with them once many, many moons ago. I had SA and BM side by side at room temperature which was probably only around 62-68F the BM thrived and the SA were very slow to colonize, so I moved the SA to a T.i.T that was maintained at 82F and the mycelium exploded. After having a collective consultation with some other cultivators familiar with the strain we all conquered that the blue meanie likes it cooler.

You dont have to trust me on this one cause im not 100% on this but it may be worth dropping the temperature on a cake to see if it picks up on the 2nd flush.


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: HybridprX]
    #15180163 - 10/05/11 07:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Its been said that the cubensis specimen "Blue meanie" require cooler temperatures during fruiting and colonization.

I worked with them once many, many moons ago. I had SA and BM side by side at room temperature which was probably only around 62-68F the BM thrived and the SA were very slow to colonize, so I moved the SA to a T.i.T that was maintained at 82F and the mycelium exploded. After having a collective consultation with some other cultivators familiar with the strain we all conquered that the blue meanie likes it cooler.

You dont have to trust me on this one cause im not 100% on this but it may be worth dropping the temperature on a cake to see if it picks up on the 2nd flush.




I think I've read that somewhere to, now that you mention it. I would like to try the Blue Meanie Cubensis strain. I will have to keep that in mind for that future grow.


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #15180168 - 10/05/11 07:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ok what about during incubation?  Should that also be at a lower temperature.  I am incubating somewhere around 80°.  Is that too warm for its ideal incubation temperature?

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15180177 - 10/05/11 07:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Incubation is an outdated method, but in your case with your outside temperature you should probably use one. I would keep the Colonizing jars at about 72-75 degrees. In my opinion there good temps :thumbup:


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #15180208 - 10/05/11 07:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, another thing that may be worth mentioning, my shotgun chamber doesn't have holes in the top or bottom.  I didn't realize until after i put the cake in that it called for that.  Is that something that would cause these problems?  Should I attempt to drill holes in the remaining 2 sides?

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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15180222 - 10/05/11 07:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I would drill the holes bro. One thing about that setup is you need plenty of fresh air exchange. And you need your Fruiting Chamber lifted at least 3 inches off of whatever its sitting on. I use 4 canning jars, 1 under each corner. Mist then fan 3-5 times per day.


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #15180228 - 10/05/11 07:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You need 1/4 inch holes, every 2 inches on all 6 sides. :thumbup: With 4+ inches of Damp Perlite in the bottom of your tub. Loosley placed in there, don't pack it down.


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Re: Need help, Strange happenings with BRF cakes! [Re: Eljefe]
    #15180237 - 10/05/11 07:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If your cakes are not getting enough fresh air exchange it may result in mutated mushrooms. You can drill some extra holes but still give them one good manual fanning a day.

Mycelium needs a whole whack load of fresh air exchange.


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