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Re: The Gulf War (1990-2003) [Re: ]
#1517512 - 05/03/03 02:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's a lot more to it than that. I don't know if the slant-drilling was ever proven. No one has provided me a link to convincing evidence that it was happening. I find it hard to believe it was, since Kuwait certainly has no shortage of oil.
As for Gillespie's comments, we will never know. She denied having made such a comment, but for all I know she actually said it. Even so, what she is alleged to have said in no way excuses Iraq conquering Kuwait. For that matter, neither does slant drilling.
As for the alleged comments of Kuwaitis saying in essence "Come and get us," that is in no way different from the kind of posturing that occurs almost daily in the Arab states of the region.
Here's the most comprehensive timeline of events (from The Institute for International Economics) I have come across so far. Long reading, since it covers so many years and incidents, but it is an extremely instructive review, particularly for the younger readers who were not actively following international events at the time they were being extensively reported back in 1990 --
http://207.238.152.36/research/topics/sanctions/iraq.htm
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Re: The Gulf War (1990-2003) [Re: Phred]
#1517534 - 05/03/03 02:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Agreeing with Pinky, I had thought that the Slant-Drilling was proven to be a bullshit justification by Saddam. I'll agree with the earlier post that what the U.S. Ambassador said was probably one of the things that gave Saddam the green light, but it was a matter of wrong thing, wrong time. Not a deliberate attempt to start a war.
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#1518475 - 05/04/03 12:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, like I said, I'll agree with the fact that our language diplomatically probably gave Iraq a green light.
But to say we shouldnt have gotten involved? They invaded a country, Annexed it as a new province of Iraq, began looting all of its wealth (Central Banks, Reserves, Private Companies, etc), and began the wholesale liquidation (Murder) of anyone who disagreed with them. You dont think we should get involved when something like that goes on?
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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway
If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: The Gulf War (1990-2003) [Re: ]
#1518716 - 05/04/03 02:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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the US may finally get what it wants, a US friendly regime in Iraq.
This is missing the point entirely. The US already had a US friendly regime in Iraq 13 years ago. The point is why they decided to see it as "unfriendly"
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began the wholesale liquidation (Murder) of anyone who disagreed with them.
You read much about the dictators the US returned to power in Kuwait?
In its Concluding Observations, issued on July 28, 2000, the Committee noted twenty-three "principle subjects of concern," including discrimination against women in voting, marriage, and nationality; unresolved cases of "disappeared"; unfair trial and arbitrary detention; the large number of offenses punishable by death; abuses of detainees; a range of abuses against Bidun; and restrictions of freedom of expression and association.
http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/07/ku073100.htm
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Re: The Gulf War (1990-2003) [Re: Xlea321]
#1518790 - 05/04/03 03:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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You'll find those conditions in any Islamic state. Not saying that its right, by my standards. But thats how it is. When another country comes in and begins killing anyone who doesnt want to be part of the invading country, its an entirely different story.
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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway
If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: The Gulf War (1990-2003) [Re: Xlea321]
#1519276 - 05/04/03 01:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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The US already had a US friendly regime in Iraq 13 years ago
Great point!
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