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NO pins bulk/monotub
    #15171028 - 10/03/11 09:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys. Monotub grow of cubes. Started with WBS/ innoced and waited. Started bulk monotub according to a Coir/verm tek, which is completely colonized. I turned air down to 68 from 76, put a compact florescent light in the room which stays on 6-8 hrs a day and have been misting and fanning, while keeping the humidity as high as possible. Will be adding pics, but do you guys have any advice? Would a dunk in the bathtub help it out? I haven't had problems like this before and im kind of disappointed lol. Will add pictures next time I post

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15171036 - 10/03/11 09:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't done a monotub, but the light cycle needs to be 12/12 I am pretty sure.


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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: qbe]
    #15171054 - 10/03/11 10:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Are you using a casing layer?

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: XFINITY]
    #15171079 - 10/03/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No casing, heard mixed results coming off of casings on monotubs... At this point im not really worried about fast pinning/fruiting but whatever will make the magic happen :smile:
Will change the lights. Want to move them to indirect sunlight but my dam room doesnt have a window...

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15171129 - 10/03/11 10:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

How long has it been since you introduced the tub to fruiting conditions?  Give it at least a week before you start worrying too much.  Up the lighting to 12 hours on / 12 off.  Do you have a hygrometer? If not, buy one.  I recommend this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Instrument-Analog-Hygrometer-Humidor-/200610496236?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb5513eec

Its well priced and has a knob for calibration. 

Having a trustworthy hygrometer is a huge asset in this hobby; a lot of the cheaper ones give false readings, especially in the 90-100% range.  Did you hydrate your substrate to field capacity before mixing with your spawn?  How many holes do you have in your monotub, are they stuffed with polyfill, and what size are they?  How often are you fanning and misting?  Lemme know and ill try to diagnose your ails more accurately.

cheers

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15171133 - 10/03/11 10:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)
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Here's some pics of the inside of it. Phone is being dumb so I will get some more later.

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15171149 - 10/03/11 10:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Been in fruiting conditions since the 24th. No hygrometer, but am pulling out my credit card right now xD. Sub was hydrated according to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595. WBS was soaked for a day, rinsed a couple of times and then PC'd. I have 6 holes on each side but some are larger then others(used a knife instead of a drill... one of my herpderp moments.) stuffed with poly. Fanning/misting as needed but I go down there 4-5 times a day and check up on them. No contams or anything as far as I can see or smell

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15171268 - 10/03/11 11:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ah nice, the hygrometer will reveal a lot.  if you are indeed maintaining a constant 95%+ humidity in there, something is fishy.  its difficult to tell from those pictures but it looks like you might have some knotting going on - that's a good sign.  the number of holes you have is excessive, especially considering their placement, and they could be causing too much moisture loss and throwing off your humidity. you want your holes to be right above your substrate, 3 to 4 inches from the bottom of your tub depending on how thick you like your substrate layer.  you're trying to keep c02 from building up, and given its chemical composition it likes to float around the bottom of the tub - that's why it is best to have your holes as low and close to the substrate as possible.  here's my suggestion:

properly tape up all of those holes and cut new ones a few inches from the bottom of the tub, directly above your substrate, as in your substrate is only a few cm away from coming out of the holes!  aim for 1" in diameter, and make 3 holes on each long side and 1 on each end, for a total of 8, then stuff those rather loosely with polyfill.  once pinning starts, permanently remove the polyfill from one hole on one of the long sides, or maybe even two holes... you'll get a better idea once you have your hygrometer (after you calibrate it using the salt test!). 

don't worry about fanning, especially when you unplug your holes after pinning begins (you might be able to unplug them even sooner, i.e. right when you introduce the tub to fruiting conditions.  just listen to your hygrometer, keep the humidity above 95%).  have a fan circulating air in the room the tub is in, but don't blow air directly onto the tub, it'll dry your tub out quick like.  only mist as needed, probably only once a day.  when you mist, simply unplug one of your holes and spray the mister through the hole, then plug it back up.  if your substrate looks completely dry, then give the substrate a few sprays and then spray the sides of the tub.  if the substrate is already glistening with beads of moisture, only spray the sides of the tub.  when you open up the lid of the tub you are letting out a lot more moisture/humidity than if you were to just unplug one of the holes and spray through that.  all of the moisture that is lost by opening the lid to fan and spray could be causing humidity problems.

welp that's all i got for now, hopefully you'll get it figured out, the hygrometer will be of great service.  best of luck!

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15171296 - 10/03/11 11:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Here's some pics of the inside of it. Phone is being dumb so I will get some more later.




dont take pictures of illegal shit with your cell phone. especially if youre posting them to a forum like this. there is information hidden in the picture coding.

anyway, stop misting your tub and let it dry up a bit, and itll start pinning all over the place. ive got 18 tubs going right now, so im playin around to figure out how best to get them to pin. everyone is right when they say surface evaporation is a key factor in pinning.

i fruited my tubs, and they all had beads of water all over the substrate. in previous grows i would keep the tub moist because thats what the mushrooms wanted. well, not really. let the sub dry up and it will start knotting up all over the place. i dont use hygrometers anymore. its pretty easy to get it where it needs to be. once the pins turn into mushrooms, i would start misting.

but FAN FAN FAN FAN FAN and get the water on the sub to evaporate. dont mist much until you have mushrooms.

Edited by AnonO (10/03/11 11:50 AM)

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: AnonO]
    #15171330 - 10/03/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

AnonO, you are assuming runepanther has excess water that is there to evaporate, which may or may not be true, but from what i can tell in the pictures his/her tub looks to be a bit on the dry side if anything.  i think the advice of "FAN FAN FAN FAN" might not lend the best results in this situation.  if the moisture isn't evaporating off of the substrate at a rate quick enough to make up for the humidity that is lost each time the tub is opened up and fanned, the humidity will be too low for pinning to begin, especially if your advice to not mist is followed.

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: Koeeoaddi]
    #15171423 - 10/03/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

right idk what im talking about dude.

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: Koeeoaddi]
    #15171426 - 10/03/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Koeeoaddi said:
AnonO, you are assuming runepanther has excess water that is there to evaporate, which may or may not be true, but from what i can tell in the pictures his/her tub looks to be a bit on the dry side if anything.  i think the advice of "FAN FAN FAN FAN" might not lend the best results in this situation.  if the moisture isn't evaporating off of the substrate at a rate quick enough to make up for the humidity that is lost each time the tub is opened up and fanned, the humidity will be too low for pinning to begin, especially if your advice to not mist is followed.



If he hydrated as shown in Damion's tek then there is plenty of moisture in that sub to get it through the first flush. And if I started misting it would be near halfway through the first flush and I would be doing so indirectly and sparingly.

Also, post your pics here. Most wont even go to offsite links, let alone downloading a zip.


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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: Meetzu]
    #15171592 - 10/03/11 12:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ahh i didn't mean to offend.  your advice about surface evaporation is spot on, it just all has to be taken into context.  given the hole placement i suggested, stuffed loosely with polyfill, with a fan creating air circulation in the room, the substrate will get all of the surface evaporation it needs to build proper humidity and create sufficient air exchange.  its also important to maintain that proper humidity as well, and constantly opening the lid to fan can put a serious damper on that. 

there are a lot of variables that must be accounted for as far as prepping the substrate goes.  unfortunately just following another person's tek word for word won't always yield optimum results - the substrate could easily end up too dry or too wet, one must learn how to judge accurately for themselves.  i.e., ive personally noticed a significant variation in the size of coir bricks, particularly in the 3-pack bricks of reptile bedding found at petco.  sometimes one of the bricks is very noticeably smaller or larger than the other two found within the same package!

i do agree that in general misting will only need to be done sparingly, if at all, while waiting for pinning to occur.  one must learn to take heed of their hygrometer and the ocular clues found on the surface of the substrate - it should glisten boldly! everybody is working with a different set of variables, the best way to be successful in this hobby is to become well acquainted with the causal relationships between one's own environment and the fungi, and in turn learn how to adjust teks to one's own need!

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: Koeeoaddi]
    #15174360 - 10/03/11 09:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Okay and thanks guys. I haven't uploaded pics b4, and the first link I found for uploading wouldn't take jpegs or any of my pictures files even though I changed em but I will resort to the search bar for that. Thanks guys :smile:

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Re: NO pins bulk/monotub [Re: runepanther]
    #15176294 - 10/04/11 11:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

let us know how it goes, ya?

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