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Making money from the web?
#15171239 - 10/03/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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How does one make money from web developing while being new to that area?
I've been learning how to develop a web page for about a year now and consider myself to have enough skills to work for people. And it would be a great opportunity to make a buck for me at my young age, but it seems impossible to find a job. Any tips on that?
I've already tried those websites that allow you to find a job like oDesk, all that I can say about them is that they suck... So anything besides that please.
Edited by Fascionas (10/03/11 11:04 AM)
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Fascionas]
#15179881 - 10/05/11 04:23 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only thing I can think of is making websites for small businesses. You'd have to advertise. You could offer your services on freelancer.com or a similar freelance site.
To get a job in web development you need qualifications. Although its possible you could find an apprenticeship or beg your way in without qualifications if you can convince a company that you have the skills.
What exactly can you do? What languages can you program?
Web development is a tricky business. Keeping up to date and making sites work with all browsers is not easy. You may find your skills are not what you think they are (no offence) but 1 year is not much experience in such a vast field.
I can get a guy in Pakistan to build me a website for pennies and they have mad expertise.
Good luck anyway but think carefully and find a way to carve out a path for yourself.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Fascionas]
#15180251 - 10/05/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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You might be able to find entrepreneurial inspiration from this guy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/dec/05/advertising.business
Good luck!
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Warrior]
#15211181 - 10/11/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most money generated from websites are from advertisements. Pay per click ads, and so forth. You can buy these websites premade, already generating money. But in my opinion, it will cost more than its worth.
An alternative would be to write a blog, and include advertisements. You can get paid for the traffic you generate, but you have to have a good story for people to be interested.
Are you trying to support yourself? Or just need some extra income?
Ive sold on ebay for years now, I started it for extra income, but since I was laid off from my job, it has become my sole income.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Skeptic]
#15211862 - 10/11/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Skeptic said: Most money generated from websites are from advertisements. Pay per click ads, and so forth. You can buy these websites premade, already generating money. But in my opinion, it will cost more than its worth.
An alternative would be to write a blog, and include advertisements. You can get paid for the traffic you generate, but you have to have a good story for people to be interested.
Are you trying to support yourself? Or just need some extra income?
Ive sold on ebay for years now, I started it for extra income, but since I was laid off from my job, it has become my sole income.
You can make money through advertisements for sure.
Blogs sites like blogger and some others are basically auto-approved from google's adsense and less prone to scrutiny as far as unique content ranking and such.
If this is a route you want to take, you have a lot of reading to do. The designing is fairly basic as far as skill sets go if you have been at it for a year. I own 4 micro niche sites and make about 60 a week doing 0 content updates with paying ~70 a year for hosting and dns services. IMO if you are just getting into it and don't want to outsource article spinning/writing/design, micro niche sites are fairly easy to make and maintain (researching proper keywords is the most difficult). I'll suggest you stay away from blackhat SEO practices until you have a good amount of SEO experience (personally I would put in the work and avoid it altogether).
BlackHatWorld Has a ton of information on SEO, web design, affiliate programs, user services, and general ways to make money online. I suggest you go there and read for a month.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Meetzu]
#15211937 - 10/12/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Meetzu said:
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Skeptic said: Most money generated from websites are from advertisements. Pay per click ads, and so forth. You can buy these websites premade, already generating money. But in my opinion, it will cost more than its worth.
An alternative would be to write a blog, and include advertisements. You can get paid for the traffic you generate, but you have to have a good story for people to be interested.
Are you trying to support yourself? Or just need some extra income?
Ive sold on ebay for years now, I started it for extra income, but since I was laid off from my job, it has become my sole income.
You can make money through advertisements for sure.
Blogs sites like blogger and some others are basically auto-approved from google's adsense and less prone to scrutiny as far as unique content ranking and such.
If this is a route you want to take, you have a lot of reading to do. The designing is fairly basic as far as skill sets go if you have been at it for a year. I own 4 micro niche sites and make about 60 a week doing 0 content updates with paying ~70 a year for hosting and dns services. IMO if you are just getting into it and don't want to outsource article spinning/writing/design, micro niche sites are fairly easy to make and maintain (researching proper keywords is the most difficult). I'll suggest you stay away from blackhat SEO practices until you have a good amount of SEO experience (personally I would put in the work and avoid it altogether).
BlackHatWorld Has a ton of information on SEO, web design, affiliate programs, user services, and general ways to make money online. I suggest you go there and read for a month.
You had any luck with bhw? All I ever seen was drop shipping and people wanting others to sell their bootleg stuff on eBay. Also, who made your niche sites?
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Fascionas]
#15212939 - 10/12/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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most people make the mistake of letting all their business generate from their online efforts and end up with a small work load....i've had more success with talking to local business owners in person than searching for work online....created a website for a consignment store I walked into one afternoon and became the store's only manager...my mother's hairdresser is interested in a website...a Colorado based company looking for someone to make ebay posts turned into my current position as web developer and IT guy for their growing business
don't take no-pay internships and don't build people free websites who tell you their business can't afford to pay you....if they can't throw you a couple hundred for a semi basic site they have no business being in business...free websites are for friends and family members
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Skeptic]
#15212951 - 10/12/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I made them. I worked through college doing web/package/logo design and decided to give these a shot. The only thing I had to learn was SEO and some back end page stuff.
There is a lot of stuff on BHW that I don't care for in the money making section. Things like content lockers, ebooks, linkwheels, scrape box blasts. These will all make you money but are kind of sleazy imo and others require a fair amount of knowlege, hardware, and hundreds to thousands of dollars in software.
The things I would check out on the forums there in Money Making are content writing (if you write well you can get paid to write original content or manually spin articles), PPC, adsense (people bitch about losing accounts with it but they are the people who used heavy BH tactics right after the rollout of panda or clickjacking), and youtube (it takes quite a bit of work to become a youtube affiliate tho).
I mainly used the site for SEO education (BH and WH SEO links on upper left) with ranking my sites on google, yahoo, and bing. If you are really looking to design sites for people SEO is a must have skill. As I said I don't use the BH stuff but it is very useful to be educated on it as you can use some middle of the road tactics and not really have any issues.
Another thing, which OP seems to have more in mind, is finding a niche or micro niche (I suggest these because they are easier to dev and rank than competing with mega sites) and creating a website for it. Once you do you can sell them based on their income or just hold them and earn it yourself.
If you are strictly looking to work for other companies then you need to have contracts with revision numbers, update / maintenance costs, etc in them before working for 1099 income. It protects you and provides clear records for taxes. Also, local radio ad time is pretty cheap most places. Depending on your city size you can do paper ads as well but some paper media outlets are cost prohibitive.
There's a bunch more I could say but I have things to do today.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Cherk]
#15217505 - 10/13/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do you guys make your sites?
I made a webshop using oscommerce. Its such a huge task though, its not just all the setting up and installing but all the graphic design, debugging, securing of the site by adding code updates, SEO and then theres the getting it to work with all browsers bit that fucked me up.
TBH I'd want more than a few hundred for a website unless it was litterally just a front page with basic graphics and text.
People always want their own custom design though. They usually draw it out on paper then come to me and I'm thinking well if I don't use a template and have to design to this exact spec its gonna take 10 times as much time
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: nice1]
#15232685 - 10/16/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice1 said: How do you guys make your sites?
I made a webshop using oscommerce. Its such a huge task though, its not just all the setting up and installing but all the graphic design, debugging, securing of the site by adding code updates, SEO and then theres the getting it to work with all browsers bit that fucked me up.
TBH I'd want more than a few hundred for a website unless it was litterally just a front page with basic graphics and text.
People always want their own custom design though. They usually draw it out on paper then come to me and I'm thinking well if I don't use a template and have to design to this exact spec its gonna take 10 times as much time 
It's hard to say what I use really. It depends on the type of website. If it's ecommerce, I like using oscommerce. I've used a few others as well. For a blog type website, wordpress, and most other websites just pure code and images.
*EDIT* Haha, sorry OP, didn't mean to ignore your subject/questions. There are alot of different ways you can make money online and you can make a decent bit as well. You're guaranteed to make money online IF you stick to it. There is alot to learn and many, many different methods. I've been doing niche marketing with blogs and such lately. I'm still new to it but i'm not doing that bad.
You can advertise, design templates and sell them, find a product to sell, write articles, sell other peoples product for a commission, and the list goes on and on and on. If you have any questions or anything, you can always PM me and i'll do anything I can to help you out. I've been doing it since the beginning of the year.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: PsilliCoder]
#15232716 - 10/16/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK cool.
How much do you charge for making a webshop?
I'm interested in getting my skills up to date and then working as a freelance website designer. Is that what you do?
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: nice1]
#15251082 - 10/20/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great post, very good info and advice.
I have a few URLs' I would like to develop or do something with. I rather not do anything shady, but will check out the blackhat site.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: LoWgRoW]
#15263407 - 10/22/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow that BlackHat link is really interesting.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: semios] 1
#15274416 - 10/25/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's a way better link then black hat world: http:// www.blackhat team.com /f51/
Here you can actually download cracked versions of quality courses and programs in affiliate marketing that the original authors charge considerable sums for. Basically as an affiliate marketer you pick one place to work with, like amazon, and recommend people products and make comission of of that. If you are starting with affliate marketing, and want to learn about making money with craigslist or amazon, just download a course. Personally i would try this: http: //www.blackh atteam.com/ f51/get-crazy-craigslist-cash-learn-how-a-cpa-marketer-makes-5-figures-a-month-with-craigslist-55081.html
(remove spaces). The beauty with craigslist is that the traffic is there waiting. All you need to do is figure out a way to post ads on it, and do this consistently. That's what the course in the link actually outlines, step by step. It's an old strategy.. ( pose as girl in personals section, get guys to sign up for dating site, etc. )
The hardest part w/ affiliate marketing is getting the traffic. if you pick craigslist, the traffic is there waiting, and the hard part is just setting up tons of accounts and maintaining them.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: xtokex]
#15274544 - 10/25/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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interesting....
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: xtokex]
#15274812 - 10/25/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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The hardest part w/ affiliate marketing is getting the traffic.
Exactly and you are only getting a tiny tiny % for the traffic you direct.
TBH this would work beter as a small part of a larger business model. TBH these little bottom feeders are chasing chump change.
Take the shroomery for example, it collects ebay search terms and they get a revenue for anyone clicking through from this site but its not the entire business model because even with mass traffic like the shroomery has its not going to make you rich. You need other methods.
You need to bring something to the table; like information, news and a forum. Then you can sell merchandise, make ad revenue, sell pro accounts (supporter) etc etc
The idea is well established though, I mean the market is saturated with this type of thing. I first realised these business models about 15 years ago. Unfortuantely I didn't jump on the band wagon! I wish I did.
If you want to get in now then you need a USP or niche. You need to bring something to the table that the others don't.
You could just copy but you'll find its very very tough to get the ball rolling and most people shut down after a few years of stagnation. Without that USP/niche then I wouldn't bother throwing your work/investment away.
If anyone does have a niche - talk to me - I can build websites, forums, shops, seo, traffic all that shit that you need to do something like this, I can do it I just don't have a niche. 
The reason the shroomery works so well IMO is, 1 it was here from the beggining (early days of the internet) 2. It brings info to the table that very few other sites were doing at the time 3. Ythan worked his ass off customising and building an awesome bit of forum software 4. It is established
If you want to succeed and get that web traffic (which is the key) you have to have something nobody else has got or at leats a new take on it that will make everyone convert to you.
All this other stuff like blackhatting, nowadays is pretty much chump change and I can think of far more productive methods of money making for time spent and risk reward ratios. You'd be better off with a 9 to 5 and spend the evenings investing and spare money you earn. A few years of that and you'll have a good wedge to show for it if you are clever but a few years of chasing chump change with these schemes and you'll have maybe paid your bills if you were lucky.
One of the biggest models that has taken off over the past few years is alternative media. Thats driving a lot of traffic now. Look at infowards / prison planet or any of their rivals. Its BIG business that comes from a real niche. There was a massive drive from people that wanted honest information not the propaganda spewing from mainstream. So your job is to figure out what the next one is going to be Whats missing now that people want. Wants growing in the masses, the next movement...
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: nice1]
#15276275 - 10/25/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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With the craigslist thing I was talking about earlier, you get $2 each time someone submits their email and name (just a free sign up) to the service. Once you have figured out all the software you need and have all the template responses and adds, all it is is tons of copying and pasting, and just getting conversions. The guy in the course says you can expect to make $90-$200 /day (as conversions vary).
I've been making money as a webmaster for 3 yrs, and I think affiliate marketing is starting to look more and more attractive. I.e. with being a webmaster, you make approx. $1 per 1000 pageviews (on average). So to make a decent living ($90-$150), you need 90K-150K traffic / day. You also need employees as well.
With affliate marketing, I wouldn't really be interested in looking at SEO and blogs. something like this craigslist thing looks pretty promising as it all depends on how many posts you can deliver.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: nice1]
#15303977 - 10/31/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice1 said: All this other stuff like blackhatting, nowadays is pretty much chump change and I can think of far more productive methods of money making for time spent and risk reward ratios. You'd be better off with a 9 to 5 and spend the evenings investing and spare money you earn. A few years of that and you'll have a good wedge to show for it if you are clever but a few years of chasing chump change with these schemes and you'll have maybe paid your bills if you were lucky.
Lol I was considering working with you until I read this...
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Fascionas]
#15304132 - 10/31/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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the best way to make money from the web is to turn off the computer and get a job.
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MisterMuscaria said: the best way to make money from the web is to turn off the computer and get a job.
haha lol peon
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Im just trolling, I actually sell things on the web and do not work a 9-5...Im just repeating the thing they always say to me.
That being said the best way to make money on the web is to open an on-line store. Buy low, sell high. All there is to it really. Beats the ad thing, beats the freelance writing thing, beats the blog thing....all of them by far.
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good advice bro.
though i make a great income doing affiliate marketing (selling shit for other people), which is much more lucrative then the other things you mentioned.
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Web design and graphics design can be lucrative as well.
A friend of mine who is a web designer makes about $4000 a month.
My little brother however makes the equivalent of minimum wage but he whores himself out to other companies rather than working for himself on commission.
I worked for a web design company in highschool (it was just 3 of us) but I really feel like the bubble on that has burst now...my friend is lucrative but only because of his merits, not everyone knows what he knows.
back in the day anyone who knew html could make a website and sell it.
In affiliate marketing you are basically getting paid to do someone else's dirty work for em. Sure, you get paid for doing less than if you were actually shipping the product and storing it at your house, PLUS you dont need the startup capitol...but if you have the startup capitol it's far more lucrative just to sell your own shit after buying from a wholesaler. I stopped doing the affiliate marketing thing because I was only getting a small percentage of every sale.
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look into affiliate programs, cpa companies, content lockers.
that's where the money is at hope this helps
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Anonymous]
#15325430 - 11/05/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice1 said: All this other stuff like blackhatting, nowadays is pretty much chump change and I can think of far more productive methods of money making for time spent and risk reward ratios. You'd be better off with a 9 to 5 and spend the evenings investing and spare money you earn. A few years of that and you'll have a good wedge to show for it if you are clever but a few years of chasing chump change with these schemes and you'll have maybe paid your bills if you were lucky.
Lol I was considering working with you until I read this...
Me?
I already have a webshop. I've been working online for the past 4 years.
No doubt people can make money with affiliate schemes but I don't think just running a blackhat affiliate scam is a realistic long term business model. Theres too many people already doing it and its more something the youngsters do while still at home with mum and no bills. I certainly wouldn't give up a 9-5 with a dream of making millions with blackhat affiliate scams. IMO affiliate marketing is going to be better as part of a larger business plan because ytou can't rely on it as your sole source of income unless you have figured out something amazing the rest of us havn't.
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: nice1]
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Re: Making money from the web? [Re: Fascionas]
#15603950 - 01/02/12 01:44 AM (12 years, 29 days ago) |
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Making websites for small businesses is a great idea and so is looking out for opportunities on freelancing websites. But getting into the business is pretty tough especially if you do not have prior experience. I would recommend you to first develop your own website and use it as your portfolio. Start marketing your website and you’ll surely get business. Good luck.
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