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Toltecatl said:
There is so much BS from both sides it's hard to determine which is correct. The good thing is it has made more people aware of the effects of our "throw away" lifestyle. Even if it's a based upon lies, encouraging people to waste less and recycle more is always a good thing. I see no downside to reducing carbon emissions.

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The Whale said:
We've turned on nature and are destroying it!"

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do you think nature wouldnt destroy us if given half a chance

I say kill it before it kills you

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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The Ecstatic said:
Is the Earth experiencing a warming trend? Yes.

Is it a result of pollution? No We honestly don't know.

Should we start developing "more green" technologies regardless? Yes.

Should we tax people via carbon credits? Fuck no Since monetary incentives are still the only effective measure in pursuing any goal that is not directly tied to the economy, then yes, it might just as well be part of the regulatory toolbox.

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The Whale said:
We've turned on nature and are destroying it!"

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The Ecstatic said:
never really bought into it.

Is the Earth experiencing a warming trend? Yes.

Is it a result of pollution? No.

Should we start developing "more green" technologies regardless? Yes.

Should we tax people via carbon credits? Fuck no.

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reeferaddict69 said:
Cows produce more Co2 in a year than an SUV.  Truth.

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reeferaddict69 said:
Cows produce more Co2 in a year than an SUV.  Truth.  Global carbon tax here we come.

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The Whale said:
Who's farming humanity?

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Circle Jerk said:
Al "manbearpig" Gore has yet to answer the question:

Are our SUV's also melting the Martian Ice Caps?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

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koraks said:
If there is one thing we should attribute to the climate skeptics, is their incredibly creative and nimble use of logic.

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koraks said:
If there is one thing we should attribute to the climate skeptics, is their incredibly creative and nimble use of logic.

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who claims we have no climate, we have hundreds of climates, I live in a sub
tropical climate, a shitty economic climate and a retarded political climate

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wildernessjunkie said:
Several Ice ages have been identified by geologists. Global warming and then Ice Age is a natural cycle that has been going on forever.

Additionally, I think all the Hype about climate change is fucking retarded. Of course the climate changes, all of that oil under the sand in the middle east was once forest. On a grand scale, the climate changes all the time. It just now that we notice it that it becomes an issue?

Im in favor of "green" technology because it seems to steadily yet slowly be moving us away from big corporations/government. I cant wait for the oil to run out. The sooner, the better. Once its gone, we can finally tap into the other energy sources that are not controlled by these jackasses. And the technology for that has almost matured.

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wildernessjunkie said:
Several Ice ages have been identified by geologists. Global warming and then Ice Age is a natural cycle that has been going on forever.

Additionally, I think all the Hype about climate change is fucking retarded. Of course the climate changes, all of that oil under the sand in the middle east was once forest. On a grand scale, the climate changes all the time. It just now that we notice it that it becomes an issue?

Im in favor of "green" technology because it seems to steadily yet slowly be moving us away from big corporations/government. I cant wait for the oil to run out. The sooner, the better. Once its gone, we can finally tap into the other energy sources that are not controlled by these jackasses. And the technology for that has almost matured.

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Mars...... Is melting as well. 19 century n all

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wildernessjunkie said:
Explain "Eco-Facisim"?

As far as the pie in the face. It wont matter, it seems to me that government is full of shit or just flat out wrong most of the time. They'll just brush it off or cover it up just like every other issue.

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In 1935, the Nazi regime enacted the "Reich Nature Protection Act". While not a purely Nazi piece of legislation, as parts of its influences pre-dated the Nazi rise to power, it nevertheless reflected Nazi ideology. The concept of the Dauerwald (best translated as the "perpetual forest") which included concepts such as forest management and protection was promoted and efforts were also made to curb air pollution.




Emblem of the "Libertarian National Socialist Green Party"

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Its warming on a systemic level.

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ShiVersblood said:
if global warming is real then how snow still exist.

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Please tell me there are more biologists in the house.

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Additionally, I think all the Hype about climate change is fucking retarded. Of course the climate changes, all of that oil under the sand in the middle east was once forest. On a grand scale, the climate changes all the time. It just now that we notice it that it becomes an issue?

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Err, yes. Is that so odd? If you're standing up to your knees in a sea that didn't use to be there, it's fucking obvious 'it becomes an issue'. A substantial portion of the human population lives in areas that are under a direct threat of being inundated if the water level rises and we do nothing about it, so yeah, it's an issue. Regardless of the cause of global warming or the rise of the water level - damn right it's an issue and it should be addressed.

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A huge hole that appeared in the Earth's protective ozone layer above the Arctic in 2011 was the largest recorded in the northern hemisphere, though the sudden appearance of the hole was not due to man-made causes, scientists said in a report on Monday.

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So wait!  All of that shit about "evil humans destroying the ozone layer" ive had shoved down my throat in every grade of school, was just a farce?


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Tchan909 said:
You've got to be a moron if you think humans aren't causing the climate to change. Soot from coal power gets into ice bergs and attracts heat, they melt. We pump hydrocarbon byproducts into the atmosphere by the ton by the minute. We're cutting down trees, destroying ecosystems. We're polluting and acidifying the ocean. We're precipitating a mass extinction event.

You know what, you're right, OP. The world is magically self-correcting and the large-scale damage being done before our very eyes is totally inconsequential. Thanks for clearing that up.

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You know what, you're right, OP. The world is magically self-correcting and the large-scale damage being done before our very eyes is totally inconsequential. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Where is your "real science"? I'd like to hear more details.

"What the earth does is completely out of our control"? This is the kind of blindness I guess you need to be able to ignore the consequences of our actions.

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You've got to be a moron if you think humans aren't causing the climate to change. Soot from coal power gets into ice bergs and attracts heat, they melt. We pump hydrocarbon byproducts into the atmosphere by the ton by the minute. We're cutting down trees, destroying ecosystems. We're polluting and acidifying the ocean. Our rancid, toxic landfills cover entire countries. We're precipitating a mass extinction event.

Are you really talking about "global warming" or climate change? Because scientists aren't so sure about all that ozone stuff anymore but who cares? The rest is obviously, demonstrably true, and global warming is still accelerated by greenhouse gases we produce in abundance.

You know what, you're right, OP. The world is magically self-correcting and the large-scale damage being done before our very eyes is totally inconsequential. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Where is your "real science"? I'd like to hear more details.

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makaveli8x8 said:
cars produce heat, house produce heat during winter, air conditioners produce heat during summer altho cold as well inside.  tree's and such produce a stable environment cool forest floors ect, we've chopped down what like half of them?

i mean lets take cars alone, the heat of the block and exhaust, how many cars running at one time? there basically tiny furnaces running around everywhere, add them all up thats alot of heat.  in scientific terms this would actually be pretty simple to compute the web obviously has the barrels of oil we use a year listed somewhere, and there's a way to covert that to energy/heat but its been a while since i was in chemistry

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