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Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS
    #15163475 - 10/01/11 05:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I gave rye berries a try a few weeks back and fell in love with them. Up to that point I had always used WBS, due to its cost and availability.

I'm sure like most people around here when trying out a new project, whether its a print, clone, or isolate we test it out on a smaller scale before putting all our eggs in one basket. Right before switching to rye, I made up a quart jar of WBS and innoced it with a B+ clone lc I made a while back.

Today I did a G2G with that jar of WBS to five jars of rye. With only five jars, the colonization time should be pretty speedy. After doing the G2G, I dispersed the grains evenly throughout the jars and noticed that mixing WBS with rye seems to work pretty well. By using two types of grain I found that its easier to tell how well the WBS is dispersed within the rye, so I can have more even growth and essentially faster colonization times.

I was about to pitch all the WBS I own and do strictly rye. After my experience today, I think I will be keeping the WBS around. As a tester grain and for single jar projects that will be used for G2G. Of course all of my bulk spawn will be done with rye, I think WBS is a perfect grain for G2G, not only because of its different appearance but also because of how small the grains are, which means when mixing it with rye it will offer more colonization points. After my experience with rye I never thought I would use WBS again, its nice to find a real reason to keep it around...


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15163649 - 10/01/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you prefer Rye over WBS? Just curious about your choice to switch.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: Psychedelicious]
    #15163710 - 10/01/11 06:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Lots of reasons. It doesn't require as much prep because you don't need to skim off the floaters. It isn't as dirty so less washing. The soak is a lot more affective and the rye absorbs water much better then the hard bird seeds. Also since all the grain is the same size its easier to get the proper moisture content. It also evaporates evenly after boiling, and since the soak is more effective you get less exploded grains. doesn't stick together like WBS, isn't as messy as WBS. Has never swelled up in the PC, so much more forgiving. I was asking the same question as you before I tried it, once I did, I will never go back. Except for reasons stated above.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15163776 - 10/01/11 06:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Cool deal. The one time I tried Rye Berries, the jars didn't colonize at all - I'd done WBS before and didn't have that problem, so it turned me off. Honestly though it was probably a bad syringe or something else in the prep, because no jars had ANY activity. Very odd, honestly.

I found some for .70 cents a pound up here, not a bad price, so I'll get some and try again for this grow.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: Psychedelicious]
    #15163831 - 10/01/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Damn dude 70 cents is a damn good price. A lot of people on here are paying over a dollar twenty five a pound. If you ask any of them why they would spend that much when they could get WBS for 10 cents a pound they would tell you the same thing, it's just superior in every way. I pay something like 90 cents a pound plus a 15% discount for using cash at my local health food store. So usually I get 5 pounds for four dollars and some change and its enough to make up at least 8+ jars. That's another reason I love the shit. 5 pounds dry usually equals around 4-5 jars half full, after the soak and boil that fills 8+ jars at 3/4 full. With the soft shell of the berries you can soak for as little as 4 hours and still have spectacular results. I guess buying in bulk from feed store is the way to go, I just haven't had the need to drive 15+ miles for a 50 pound sack at a discounted price. I guess I would rather pay 40 cents more a pound and only have to drive a mile, plus helping out local small businesses is always a plus. Definitely give it another try. It's well worth it.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15163852 - 10/01/11 06:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Once I get the hang of it and start doing really huge grows to keep the shrooms going I'll see if I can get myself some cheaper discounts for like 50-ish lb bags.



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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15163892 - 10/01/11 07:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The other thing I found out about WBS is if you don't want the grains swelling during the PC process, a simmer is a necessity. Plus the swelling during the PC process always throws off the moisture content. Its like the soak of WBS is purely for germinating endospores. I have soaked for 30+ hours and the grain really don't swell much. Plus it will still swell in the PC if not simmered. With rye the soak does all the swelling, and the boil is just for evaporating the water off the outside of the grains. I honestly thought people were nuts for going through the trouble of finding rye and paying such high prices. I can now say that I would pay a dollar fifty a pound if necessary, because it is...That much better.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: Psychedelicious]
    #15163912 - 10/01/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I pay around .43 cents per lb for rye when purchasing 55lb bags. It is
a good hour drive to the feed mill but I usually pick up no less then
110lbs per trip. I grow shiitake on a small scale so I go through a
good amount of grain every month, but 2 55lb bags lasts me a good long
time at my current production level.

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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
    #15163933 - 10/01/11 07:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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EvilMushroom666 said:
I pay around .43 cents per lb for rye when purchasing 55lb bags. It is
a good hour drive to the feed mill but I usually pick up no less then
110lbs per trip. I grow shiitake on a small scale so I go through a
good amount of grain every month, but 2 55lb bags lasts me a good long
time at my current production level.




Yeah, sounds like a good idea. I know I can find a feed mill or somesuch around here... just not ready to purchase 55lbs of the stuff yet, haha!

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The other thing I found out about WBS is if you don't want the grains swelling during the PC process, a simmer is a necessity. Plus the swelling during the PC process always throws off the moisture content. Its like the soak of WBS is purely for germinating endospores. I have soaked for 30+ hours and the grain really don't swell much. Plus it will still swell in the PC if not simmered. With rye the soak does all the swelling, and the boil is just for evaporating the water off the outside of the grains. I honestly thought people were nuts for going through the trouble of finding rye and paying such high prices. I can now say that I would pay a dollar fifty a pound if necessary, because it is...That much better.




I definitely hated the soak/simmer/cleaning process of the WBS the most. Plus, in my experience it really does stick together, and I hear the Rye Berries are much more fluid and mobile in the jar, and break up easier if you're going to do a one-time shake at 30% or so.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: Psychedelicious]
    #15163979 - 10/01/11 07:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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The other thing I found out about WBS is if you don't want the grains swelling during the PC process, a simmer is a necessity. Plus the swelling during the PC process always throws off the moisture content. Its like the soak of WBS is purely for germinating endospores. I have soaked for 30+ hours and the grain really don't swell much. Plus it will still swell in the PC if not simmered. With rye the soak does all the swelling, and the boil is just for evaporating the water off the outside of the grains. I honestly thought people were nuts for going through the trouble of finding rye and paying such high prices. I can now say that I would pay a dollar fifty a pound if necessary, because it is...That much better.




I definitely hated the soak/simmer/cleaning process of the WBS the most. Plus, in my experience it really does stick together, and I hear the Rye Berries are much more fluid and mobile in the jar, and break up easier if you're going to do a one-time shake at 30% or so.




Yeah I hated the sticking the most. Plus taking it out right after Pcing so that I could shake up the wet grains...Burnt my hands countless times. Also for some reason it was just sooooo god damn messy!! I would end up with more WBS on the floor then in the jars. hahaha. I also found that the white millet, the little guys would always end up stuck together in the same area of the jar, no matter how much I shook it. I can also attest to ease of shaking. The rye berries do break up much much much easier. My hands were always sore after shaking 5+ WBS jars hahaha. I also measured the amount of floaters that I was getting off of a batch of WBS and it was a crazy amount, something like 15-25%. I hated having to add that to the equation along with all the other variables with WBS when trying to make up a set amount of jars.

That being said there are some benefits to using WBS. Main one would be smaller grain size = more points of colonization when spawning to bulk. Plus like I stated in my first post, I like it when doing G2G for the same reason. That and I can see how well dispersed it is when mixed with rye. Its a good combo.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: Psychedelicious]
    #15164822 - 10/01/11 11:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool deal. The one time I tried Rye Berries, the jars didn't colonize at all - I'd done WBS before and didn't have that problem, so it turned me off. Honestly though it was probably a bad syringe or something else in the prep, because no jars had ANY activity. Very odd, honestly.

I found some for .70 cents a pound up here, not a bad price, so I'll get some and try again for this grow.




Possibly fungicides on your rye. I say that because I've had fungicide-sprayed rye before-- no spores will germinate, but live cultures can take to it with not much difficulty.

Since I refused to throw out 25lbs of rye, I use WBS for germinating spores, then GLC to the rye. Having both of em around is certainly useful!

Now that you mention it OP, its def a good idea to use WBS for test batches! With how cheap it is, I'd feel more inclined to experiment and test.


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: SKrink]
    #15164864 - 10/01/11 11:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool deal. The one time I tried Rye Berries, the jars didn't colonize at all - I'd done WBS before and didn't have that problem, so it turned me off. Honestly though it was probably a bad syringe or something else in the prep, because no jars had ANY activity. Very odd, honestly.

I found some for .70 cents a pound up here, not a bad price, so I'll get some and try again for this grow.




Possibly fungicides on your rye. I say that because I've had fungicide-sprayed rye before-- no spores will germinate, but live cultures can take to it with not much difficulty.

Since I refused to throw out 25lbs of rye, I use WBS for germinating spores, then GLC to the rye. Having both of em around is certainly useful!

Now that you mention it OP, its def a good idea to use WBS for test batches! With how cheap it is, I'd feel more inclined to experiment and test.




Gah, that worries me now that you mention it. I'd assume that most health-food stores would have fungicides on their Rye if it's for human consumption.

I guess I'd -have- to get it at a feed store or somewhere less oriented towards the human market?


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Re: Switched to Rye but keeping the WBS [Re: Psychedelicious]
    #15165092 - 10/02/11 01:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Psychedelicious said:
Cool deal. The one time I tried Rye Berries, the jars didn't colonize at all - I'd done WBS before and didn't have that problem, so it turned me off. Honestly though it was probably a bad syringe or something else in the prep, because no jars had ANY activity. Very odd, honestly.

I found some for .70 cents a pound up here, not a bad price, so I'll get some and try again for this grow.




Possibly fungicides on your rye. I say that because I've had fungicide-sprayed rye before-- no spores will germinate, but live cultures can take to it with not much difficulty.

Since I refused to throw out 25lbs of rye, I use WBS for germinating spores, then GLC to the rye. Having both of em around is certainly useful!

Now that you mention it OP, its def a good idea to use WBS for test batches! With how cheap it is, I'd feel more inclined to experiment and test.




Gah, that worries me now that you mention it. I'd assume that most health-food stores would have fungicides on their Rye if it's for human consumption.

I guess I'd -have- to get it at a feed store or somewhere less oriented towards the human market?




I think the main thing is that it is certified "Organic". To be certified organic, it has to meet pretty hefty requirements. Like no pesticides and fungicides sprayed on the field for like 3 years or some shit idk the whole of it, but to be called "organic" it has to meet some pretty strict standards.


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