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JoeBeastly
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this newbie could use some imput on an idea,,
#15163138 - 10/01/11 03:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey everyone so I have 16 full pt jars cooking right now and I was considering fruiting some and turning some into spawn and making a mini mono shotgun hybrid. the cakes are the BRF PF cakes... so I guess what I'm wondering is if I should use a different substrate mix, I had planned on using Damon's elementary coir tek but that works best with WBS spawn right? Can this mix still be used with the BRF cakes? If it makes any difference I have an 8qt pressure cooker and the totes I planned on using are two 25qt sterilite tubs
Any links or advice or input would be awesome!
Here's pretty much where I'm at so I've got a few weeks to iron out a plan.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15163235 - 10/01/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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im going to do the same thing as you but just spawn to 100% coco coir
i feel like this is an easy way to practice for spawning to bulk, plus coir is usually pre sterilized
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JoeBeastly
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: Honeydew]
#15163259 - 10/01/11 04:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honeydew said: im going to do the same thing as you but just spawn to 100% coco coir
i feel like this is an easy way to practice for spawning to bulk, plus coir is usually pre sterilized
oh awesome, is there a specific tek youre following? I was also just thinking of halving the vermiculite in damons tek and adding in gypsum
(btw im subbed to your youtube channel lolol)
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15163284 - 10/01/11 04:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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no not really, im just going to kinda wing it
i added gypsum with my cakes from the begining, i think that that is sufficient but it wouldn't hurt, id say use lime instead of gypsum if your going to add more when you mix your sub, just because lime brings your ph up really quickly for a shorter time when gypsum isn't as powerful
im going to spawn to 100% coir like i said and then case it with 50/50 verm/peatmoss once it goes in the FC
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: Honeydew]
#15163323 - 10/01/11 04:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ahh I seeee
I was gunna follow Doc_T's tek on the Mini-Mono SGFC hybrid I figured it would be good for my first bulk practice
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15163363 - 10/01/11 04:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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go for it, if you stick with a specific tek and do it to the letter then your most likely going to have success
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: Honeydew]
#15163421 - 10/01/11 05:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks dude, but to the letter would include someting other than BRF spawn.. Ill be sure to post at least my results for some other beginner to get an idea of what might happen.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15163449 - 10/01/11 05:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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very true. thats kinda why im not following a specific tek
you can make a Poor Mans Mycelium Syringe once you've got full jars too, then use that to noc up some jars of grain
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: Honeydew]
#15163467 - 10/01/11 05:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually I still have 2cc of PE and Cam's respectively So tomorrow I'm going out to get some organic honey to make a LC. I figure that should do me for a while untill i can make a super sterile environment for doing that type of thing.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15164187 - 10/01/11 08:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would mix some verm in the coir, you're going to get much bigger flushes and fruits that way due to the moisture content being a lot better. Just mix it in a huge bucket and pasturize it with boiling water like in the various coir preparation teks around here. Not very difficult, and will be worth the results!
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: Psychedelicious]
#15164221 - 10/01/11 08:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have heard that using a cheese grater to grind brf cakes into finer bits is better than crumbling. I have never personally tried this but I like the sound of it. Can anyone confirm deny?
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TheHistoryChannel said: I have heard that using a cheese grater to grind brf cakes into finer bits is better than crumbling. I have never personally tried this but I like the sound of it. Can anyone confirm deny?
Using a cheese grater is the best way to spawn brf cakes. The smaller you can get the brf the better.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: Honeydew]
#15164239 - 10/01/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honeydew said: im going to do the same thing as you but just spawn to 100% coco coir
i feel like this is an easy way to practice for spawning to bulk, plus coir is usually pre sterilized
i also spawn to coco coir, with just a bit of used coffee grounds and a bit of verm.. idk if that is a specific tech or not but seems to work well.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: prismism]
#15167563 - 10/02/11 03:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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prismism said:
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TheHistoryChannel said: I have heard that using a cheese grater to grind brf cakes into finer bits is better than crumbling. I have never personally tried this but I like the sound of it. Can anyone confirm deny?
Using a cheese grater is the best way to spawn brf cakes. The smaller you can get the brf the better.
So I guess cheese grater would be best?
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15168209 - 10/02/11 05:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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JoeBeastly said:
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prismism said:
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TheHistoryChannel said: I have heard that using a cheese grater to grind brf cakes into finer bits is better than crumbling. I have never personally tried this but I like the sound of it. Can anyone confirm deny?
Using a cheese grater is the best way to spawn brf cakes. The smaller you can get the brf the better.
So I guess cheese grater would be best?
If your going to go out and get a cheese grater, id get a zester instead, its like a cheese grater, but finer, for getting the zest of citrus.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: amberella1989]
#15170740 - 10/03/11 08:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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amberella1989 said:
If your going to go out and get a cheese grater, id get a zester instead, its like a cheese grater, but finer, for getting the zest of citrus.
Awesome! Just spent a while browsing the forums and zester does seem to be better for my situation! Thank You for the input everyone!!
If any of you care this is my plan of action. use this tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10713572#10713572 with this mixture method http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11917410 and following this ratio http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14896598
and lastlyy my current first grow log started 9/23 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15143295
hopefully you'll follow along
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15170887 - 10/03/11 09:08 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a similar idea, but I wanted to try using an entire jar of honey LC to spawn the 50/50 coir mix from Damion. thoughts?
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: muze]
#15170954 - 10/03/11 09:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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See I had that idea too (on another post that I just deleted) most of the responses pointed to fail due to the myc inside the LC not being able to colonize fast enough in the CCV substrate and it being more prone to infection. All that aside, I hear it has been done from my additional research but the results weren't completely favorable.. I mean the only thing you have to lose is time and a jar of LC, if i were you I'd use a strong amount of your LC into like 4 or 6 jars so they'll colonize much faster and stronger.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: JoeBeastly]
#15170995 - 10/03/11 09:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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JoeBeastly said: See I had that idea too (on another post that I just deleted) most of the responses pointed to fail due to the myc inside the LC not being able to colonize fast enough in the CCV substrate and it being more prone to infection. All that aside, I hear it has been done from my additional research but the results weren't completely favorable.. I mean the only thing you have to lose is time and a jar of LC, if i were you I'd use a strong amount of your LC into like 4 or 6 jars so they'll colonize much faster and stronger.
Good advice thanks. Contamination due to growth speed is a problem others have mentioned. I probably will use more LC but this is just an experiment, trying to be impatient and skip the jar stage.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: muze]
#15171271 - 10/03/11 11:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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plus coir is usually pre sterilized
Never heard that before. Some coir is treated with trich. ALWAYS pasteurize a bulk substrate, would be a waste not to.
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id say use lime instead of gypsum
Gypsum (CaSO4) Is like mushroom vitamins. Its not used to alter the PH so much as to give the mushrooms a nutrient boost as well as help control the moisture content.
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In fact, there's very little use for lime in this hobby. Cubes don't require a casing layer, and that's about the only thing you'd use lime for other than pasteurizing straw. For that, use hydrated lime. RR
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: muze]
#15171601 - 10/03/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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muze said: I had a similar idea, but I wanted to try using an entire jar of honey LC to spawn the 50/50 coir mix from Damion. thoughts?
It wouldn't work. It would take waaaaay to long to colonize and by that time, using a pseudo pasteurization tek like Damion's it would contam for sure.
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: FuckMeRunnin]
#15175950 - 10/04/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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FuckMeRunnin said: It wouldn't work. It would take waaaaay to long to colonize and by that time, using a pseudo pasteurization tek like Damion's it would contam for sure.
what makes you think it would take too long? i should mention i want to use a 1/4 scale mix in a much smaller tub. from what i've read the LC colonizes very quickly in other mediums and depends mostly on how many inoculation points you use. mixing the entire jar in the substrate should be great in theory...
sorry to hijack your thread JoeBeastly
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: muze]
#15176424 - 10/04/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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muze said:
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FuckMeRunnin said: It wouldn't work. It would take waaaaay to long to colonize and by that time, using a pseudo pasteurization tek like Damion's it would contam for sure.
what makes you think it would take too long? i should mention i want to use a 1/4 scale mix in a much smaller tub. from what i've read the LC colonizes very quickly in other mediums and depends mostly on how many inoculation points you use. mixing the entire jar in the substrate should be great in theory...
sorry to hijack your thread JoeBeastly
I have read a lot of different threads about this, and it just doesn't seem to work. Plus mixing the LC may be too much for it to handle. I would suggest doing agar slants if you do want to try this experiment. Agar slants colonize much quicker then LC. especially if you had enough slants to cut up into small pieces and offer a lot of different points of colonization. In a sense your trying to colonize a large cake with a lot of LC. Even when people use sterilized pint cakes innoced with LC, the failure rate is still pretty high. So if sterilized pint cakes don't fair too well imagine how a pseudo pasteurized substrate at a much larger volume would fair?
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Re: this newbie could use some input on an idea,, [Re: muze]
#15177766 - 10/04/11 06:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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muze said:
sorry to hijack your thread JoeBeastly
lol its cool bro I'm glad I could help out mi thread es su thread
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