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Invisiblechodamunky
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Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems
    #1515669 - 05/02/03 08:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Most of us are so unconcerned with this extraordinary universe about us; we never even see the waving of the leaf in the wind; we never watch a blade of grass, touch in with our hand and know the quality of its being. This is not just being poetic, so please do not go off into a speculative, emotional state. I say it is essential to have that deep feeling for life and not be caught in intellectual ramifications, discussions, passing examinations, quoting and brushing something new aside by saying it has already been said. Intellect is not the way. Intellect will not solve our problems; intellect will not give us that nourishment which is imperishable. The intellect can reason, discuss, analyze, come to a conclusion from inferences, and so on, but intellect is limited, for intellect is the result of our conditioning. But sensitivity is not. Sensitivity has no conditioning; it takes your right out of the field of fears and anxieties.... We spend our days and years in cultivating the intellect, in arguing, discussing, fighting, struggling to be something, and so on. And yet this extraordinarily wonderful world, this earth that is so rich --not the Bombay earth, the Punjab earth, the Russian earth, or the American earth -- this earth is ours, yours and mine, and that is not sentimental nonsense; it is a fact. But unfortunately we have divided it up through our pettiness, through our provincialism. And we know why we have done it -- for our security, for better jobs and more jobs. That is the political game that is being played throughout the world, and so we forget to be human beings, to live happily on this earth that is ours, and to make something of it.

That quote is by J. Krishnamurti, I decided to type it up for you guys (from his Book of Life) cause I totally dig what he's trying to say. what do you think?


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1515684 - 05/02/03 08:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think intellect can be just as good as sensitivity  :smirk:


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1515736 - 05/02/03 08:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

maybe for good balance purposes, they ought to go hand in hand.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1515756 - 05/02/03 09:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, second anti-intellectual post within a week.  Truly mind-boggling, I better stop studying for my finals, I could end up getting hurt with all this knowledge floating around.  :smirk: 


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1515802 - 05/02/03 09:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)


I think it is the nature of humanity to be both appreciative of the beauty around us and analytical at the same time. What human being has not analyzed to some extent the world around them? Without the faculty of the intellect how did Krishnamurti form and communicate the idea he expressed?


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1516026 - 05/02/03 11:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The intellect can reason, discuss, analyze, come to a conclusion from inferences, and so on, but intellect is limited, for intellect is the result of our conditioning
He is not dissing the intellect as many of you seemed to interpret, it has its place like he mentions above. What he is saying is that in order to stop things like war, we have to be sensitive to the world around us. Has having a high intellect helped us solve starvation, violence, discrimination? Nope. People are as ignorant these days as we they were a thousand years ago (back when we thought space was not a vacumm but made of ether, hehe, still gives me a chuckle), we are territorial and greedy animals, it seems having the largest brain capacity in the animal kingdom and all the knowledge in the world at our fingertips has not made us any more sensitive to our earth.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1516660 - 05/03/03 03:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the problem with the human race is not too much intellect. it's not enough intellect.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1516711 - 05/03/03 03:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"This is not just being poetic, so please do not go off into a speculative, emotional state. I say it is essential to have that deep feeling for life and not be caught in intellectual ramifications, discussions, passing examinations, quoting and brushing something new aside by saying it has already been said."

I think all of us, particularly artists and people in other "creative" realms, will indeed evolve language to the level required to truely express one's self, at least in ways profoundly more powerful than our current vocal utterances.. I believe intellect is certainly necessary to expand the boundaries of language and subjectivity - Mckenna talks about visual language, which we're certainly working on (:) :confused: :frown: :blush: :cool: !@#$%&^12345), and which could become way more elaborate through the fusion of current, emerging and presently unheard of technologies. I think using one's intellect with evolved, direct, efficient language would be almost necessary..


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1516720 - 05/03/03 03:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

no, the problem is too much mental process. We dont have the intelect to stop thinking so much all the time, shut of the internal dialouge, and just be. We cant look at a tree or a bird and simply be astonished at the beauty and complexity. nope, we think, :blush:h, it's just a tree, i've seen thousands of tree's before, nothing to get exited about. We think too much, and think we know more than we do. This is our fault. 


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: thestringphish]
    #1516954 - 05/03/03 05:41 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"We cant look at a tree or a bird and simply be astonished at the beauty and complexity."

And by "we" do you mean "thestringphish?"


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: thestringphish]
    #1517134 - 05/03/03 09:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)


"The intellect can reason, discuss, analyze, come to a conclusion from inferences, and so on, but intellect is limited, for intellect is the result of our conditioning. But sensitivity is not. Sensitivity has no conditioning;"

If our intellectual grasp of the world can be conditioned by culture so can our sensitivities. Like McKenna said "Culture is not your friend.", it dictates what is knowable and what is not, but it also dictates how we feel about things as well. Why would Krishnamurti place sensitivity beyond conditioning, because it is our "true" nature? To me reasoning is as innate in humanity as is sensitivity, and sensitivity is as subject to culture as anything else.

"We cant look at a tree or a bird and simply be astonished at the beauty and complexity. nope, we think, it's just a tree, i've seen thousands of tree's before, nothing to get exited about."

Why would intellect stand in the way of appreciating the beauty of a tree? Conditioning might but the intellect in and of itself would not, I still don't see why one would necessarily exclude the other.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1517660 - 05/03/03 03:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We need intellellect, emotions and everything in between. There is no right or wrong for one is not without the other to compare. In this way everyone is "right" no matter what they do.Iit balances out in the end for sure. Although emotions may be better for some intellect may be better for others but all need both just to BE. Any description is oversimplification but necessary nonetheless. Pretty strange ain't it. But does this not explain why noone has the "right" answer. Because its all based on perception....what is there but change?
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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: Strumpling]
    #1517716 - 05/03/03 04:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"I think using one's intellect with evolved, direct, efficient language would be almost necessary.. "
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Absolutely! The name of the game is Evolution! It's all in the books.... Alot of it started with the Cambrian explosion! ( clue for those who just went: HUH?.... think Geology)

The problem with a significant portion of the "intelligence" floating out there, is that it is not always accurate. But it gets passed around real quickly! Especially in this new Tech Age.

And people eat it up! Especially if it is FLASHY! .... But flash is best for the movie domain ( well... there ARE some pretty cool things that happen in real life! )


... Ever notice how around work, rumors are rampant! Especially, the JUICY ONES!?

Sometimes, what is talked about, and what really is, are two different things.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1520812 - 05/05/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

in the words of my dear friend The Marshmarlow, "I've been fakin' it the whole time guys" which then was proceeded with puking


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: chodamunky]
    #1520831 - 05/05/03 01:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Most of us are so unconcerned with this extraordinary universe about us; we never even see the waving of the leaf in the wind; we never watch a blade of grass, touch in with our hand and know the quality of its being.




I do, really.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: NapkinOfDoom]
    #1520983 - 05/05/03 02:25 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"in the words of my dear friend The Marshmarlow, "I've been fakin' it the whole time guys" which then was proceeded with puking"
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What ARE you talking about  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????

Are you Bulimic?

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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: Strumpling]
    #1521059 - 05/05/03 03:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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We cant look at a tree or a bird and simply be astonished at the beauty and complexity."

And by "we" do you mean "thestringphish?"




By "WE" i mean the people who say intelect wont solve there problems, or people who say they have problems in the first place. When you look at a tree and the fact that you are seeing god hits you, you don't have problems anymore. If you've ever been tripping and just started to laugh at how petty and rediculous all your "problems" are, then you will know what i mean. This is pretty much the same thing, only the realization that everything that you consider to be a problem in your life is insignificant and meaningless hits you when you are not tripping. Now in this instance, by "you" i mean "thestringphish", but i also mean everyone else who has had experiences like this, or can have experiences like this, which would include everyone.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: thestringphish]
    #1521075 - 05/05/03 03:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Can one become desensitized to beauty?

Also, I think it should be possible for one to "see" God within the cockroach scattering across the floor of a well-kept home. Not that a cockroach holds any aesthetic qualities worth mentioning, but man, what could that cockroach possibly view as worthwhile in such a place? It must be hell to that cockroach and I'd say to him "God really got you good bastard roach!" right after I stomped his ass.

That's God baby, that's God.


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Re: Intellect WIll Not Solve Our Problems [Re: thestringphish]
    #1521169 - 05/05/03 05:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"By "WE" i mean the people who say intelect wont solve there problems, or people who say they have problems in the first place."

OK then :smile:


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