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Parts of campain finance law struck down
    #1515582 - 05/02/03 07:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think this is an obvious outcome and also a good decision.

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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1515593 - 05/02/03 07:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

So I guess you think that massive amounts of corporate money being donated to politicians doesnt have any influence and is OK


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1515602 - 05/02/03 07:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think the law was an infingement of the 1st ammendment.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1515618 - 05/02/03 07:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I know the law was an infingement of the 1st ammendment.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1515627 - 05/02/03 07:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

if the government was prohibited from getting so involved in business, businesses would have no reason to buy off politicians.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: ]
    #1515631 - 05/02/03 07:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Zackly.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: Evolving]
    #1515636 - 05/02/03 07:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I dont know any a darned thing about the bill, and I dont claim too. Its funny though, Feingold being one of our Senators here in Wisconsin. The whole state is up in arms, you'd think the Congress had advocated declaring war on Minnesota.

Everyone here is acting like their personally affronted. Odd, Odd People...


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1515735 - 05/02/03 08:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I think the law was an infingement of the 1st ammendment.



I agree.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: ]
    #1515808 - 05/02/03 09:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm good point mushmaster. So the argument for 1st amendment, are you saying that corporations have the same right of "free speech" to give money to politicians etc? Just trying to understand your argument.
I personally have a problem with corporations, etc "buying" influence.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1515892 - 05/02/03 10:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

pretty much. if a person or group of persons decides to give money to a politician and the politician chooses to use that money on campaigning, why is that a crime?

the crime part should be when the politician then uses his office to give unjust favors to the contributing person(s), such as permitting rampant pollution or giving them public money.

the problem is not politicians accepting money, but politicians using their office to give unjust favors. the thing is, the government is so in bed with business (and this applies to special interest groups as well) that all sorts of favors, including unjust ones, are being given all the time. the government shouldn't be ALLOWED to give unjust favors to businesses.

they're going about this all wrong.


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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1516091 - 05/02/03 11:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."

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Re: Parts of campain finance law struck down [Re: silversoul7]
    #1516198 - 05/03/03 12:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The first amendment's primary purpose is to protect POLITICAL speech.


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