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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: LeopardMan]
    #15156388 - 09/30/11 02:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Il just keep at it

Only possible problem is that I'm using a 105qt tub for only 3 cakes but all my research and other's have told me the bigger the better




Jaffy, you have been impatient. You should have waited more than 9 days :shrug:




listen to LM he knows! honestly 9 days isnt enough time! ive waited a little over 2 weeks before even getting knots! i even had to redunk because my cakes were just losing water just from regular old evaporation i thought they were broken!

THEN after a few more days they exploded! The cakes dont work on your schedule you gotta work on theirs and being patient and not fucking with them too much and making sure they are in the right conditions is the only thing you can do. waiting sucks but everyone goes through it especially at first.


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15156447 - 09/30/11 02:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

my 1st GT cake did same thing..1 fruit ..dunked...pins 2days later..........also 4 other cakes were dried up before first flush even pinned...and i mist n fanned them 4-5times a day..........i dunked them again......and pins sprung up within cpl days...its easy to tell if the cakes are dried up if you pick them up.


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15156501 - 09/30/11 03:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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LeopardMan said:
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JaffyJaffar said:
Il just keep at it

Only possible problem is that I'm using a 105qt tub for only 3 cakes but all my research and other's have told me the bigger the better




Jaffy, you have been impatient. You should have waited more than 9 days :shrug:




listen to LM he knows! honestly 9 days isnt enough time! ive waited a little over 2 weeks before even getting knots! i even had to redunk because my cakes were just losing water just from regular old evaporation i thought they were broken!

THEN after a few more days they exploded! The cakes dont work on your schedule you gotta work on theirs and being patient and not fucking with them too much and making sure they are in the right conditions is the only thing you can do. waiting sucks but everyone goes through it especially at first.




:thumbup: Glad to see you around, Rew.


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: LeopardMan]
    #15156572 - 09/30/11 04:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Rewindicus said:
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LeopardMan said:
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JaffyJaffar said:
Il just keep at it

Only possible problem is that I'm using a 105qt tub for only 3 cakes but all my research and other's have told me the bigger the better




Jaffy, you have been impatient. You should have waited more than 9 days :shrug:




listen to LM he knows! honestly 9 days isnt enough time! ive waited a little over 2 weeks before even getting knots! i even had to redunk because my cakes were just losing water just from regular old evaporation i thought they were broken!

THEN after a few more days they exploded! The cakes dont work on your schedule you gotta work on theirs and being patient and not fucking with them too much and making sure they are in the right conditions is the only thing you can do. waiting sucks but everyone goes through it especially at first.




:thumbup: Glad to see you around, Rew.




yah im still here! i actually have my SGFC disassembled ATM i had some company for a couple weeks and my new hobby as of late has been ayahuasca! how are you!?


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Re: Still no pins :( *DELETED* [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15156758 - 09/30/11 06:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15156770 - 09/30/11 06:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

how many jars do you have total? and 5 weeks to colonize actually seems a little long....practice makes perfect! as for first yields...theres SO SO SO many factors especially if your just doin a multispore syringe. i would tell you not to expect too much. if your trying to get enough to have 1 good dose for yourself and 2 friends youll need about 9 dried grams which for me took 6 cakes first plush to get. the more you practice the better yields youll get as far as care but in the long run genetics has alot to do with it. But thats all varsity shit for now just focus on staying contam free and misting and fanning!


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15156794 - 09/30/11 06:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well you live an you learn man! i word of advice though.....if mycology is something you wanna get into you should hop to it and order some more syringes and jars you can get into a cycle where while your fruiting and doin a few flushes you got jars incubating in your closet so that once your flushes are over you got new cakes ready to go in. that way theres never much of a wait and with dehydrating you can have em for whenever you want. hell today i was doin some furniture moving and found a drying chamber i forgot about with 4grams of mushies in it! thats gonna be my saturday night bar adventure!


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15156883 - 09/30/11 07:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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all my research and other's have told me the bigger the better




pinning triggers in part from raised levels of CO2 , which the mycelium gives off. given this, you will find triggering teks like covering cakes in a foil shell to trap in CO2. So given this, the smaller the space, the higher your CO2 level will be higher. This is also why casings can help because they create microclimates in the small nooks and crannies where co2 gets trapped. All my cakes in the center of my FC usually pin like this while the outter ones look like this see how the pins are even pointing in towards the center of the tub where the co2 is more concentrated, while the one from the middle pins on the top and sides of the top?

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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15156905 - 09/30/11 07:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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all my research and other's have told me the bigger the better




pinning triggers in part from raised levels of CO2 , which the mycelium gives off. given this, you will find triggering teks like covering cakes in a foil shell to trap in CO2. So given this, the smaller the space, the higher your CO2 level will be higher. This is also why casings can help because they create microclimates in the small nooks and crannies where co2 gets trapped. All my cakes in the center of my FC usually pin like this while the outter ones look like this see how the pins are even pointing in towards the center of the tub where the co2 is more concentrated, while the one from the middle pins on the top and sides of the top?




Wait. CO2 is not a pinning trigger. The second picture you posted clearly shows that your cake needs more FAE (skinny stems). CO2 is important during colonization though.
But full colonization, evaporation of water from the substrate and  FAE are the main pinning triggers during the fruiting stage.


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15156906 - 09/30/11 07:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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all my research and other's have told me the bigger the better




pinning triggers in part from raised levels of CO2 , which the mycelium gives off. given this, you will find triggering teks like covering cakes in a foil shell to trap in CO2. So given this, the smaller the space, the higher your CO2 level will be higher. This is also why casings can help because they create microclimates in the small nooks and crannies where co2 gets trapped. All my cakes in the center of my FC usually pin like this while the outter ones look like this see how the pins are even pointing in towards the center of the tub where the co2 is more concentrated, while the one from the middle pins on the top and sides of the top?



FAE is the number one pinning trigger. That's why you have to fan your FC,to replace the Co2 with fresh air.

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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: The Influence]
    #15156994 - 09/30/11 08:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, the casing layer isn't to trap the CO2 it's to create a microclimate near the cake where the humidity is very high. This coupled with light and good fanning (to replace the produced CO2 by oxygen, which cakes need) triggers the formation of primordia which is necessary for pinning formation. A good grow has primordia (the fuzzy white stuff on the foot of the mushroom and on the cake) all over the cake and 20-30 pins a cake per flush.

And munchauzen... I think pins randomly form on the cake. Am I not right? :shrug:


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #15157035 - 09/30/11 08:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, the casing layer isn't to trap the CO2 it's to create a microclimate near the cake where the humidity is very high. This coupled with light and good fanning (to replace the produced CO2 by oxygen, which cakes need) triggers the formation of primordia which is necessary for pinning formation. A good grow has primordia (the fuzzy white stuff on the foot of the mushroom and on the cake) all over the cake and 20-30 pins a cake per flush.

And munchauzen... I think pins randomly form on the cake. Am I not right? :shrug:



The outer layer of verm is to hold moisture for the cake so it does not dry out. Primordia are the begining of pins, I think you might have hyphal knots and primordia mixed up. Light does help with pinning, but the main two triggers are water evaporation from the cake and FAE.

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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: The Influence]
    #15157055 - 09/30/11 08:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh so it's the hyphal knots that are all over the cakes? And primordia is the very beggining of pins when they are little white specks if I understand correctly.

Awesome!


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: DrugsRGood]
    #15157089 - 09/30/11 09:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh so it's the hyphal knots that are all over the cakes? And primordia is the very beggining of pins when they are little white specks if I understand correctly.

Awesome!



Yup :thumbup: I didn't know the difference until I seen little white things sticking out of my cake and looked it up. I was waiting for pins to come out of what I now know to be hyphal knots.

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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: The Influence]
    #15157211 - 09/30/11 09:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh so it's the hyphal knots that are all over the cakes? And primordia is the very beggining of pins when they are little white specks if I understand correctly.

Awesome!



Yup :thumbup: I didn't know the difference until I seen little white things sticking out of my cake and looked it up. I was waiting for pins to come out of what I now know to be hyphal knots.




I was waiting for the exact same thing. I was certain pins were just going to "stick-out" out of the then thought primordia.


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15157281 - 09/30/11 09:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

sorry guys, i know im late, but i'd like to add

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....I'm assuming picking at least one fruit means that flush is over





a "flush" is something that doesn't really exist. don't get bent out of shape, let me explain.

time doesn't exist. the world didn't come with a rolex. WE made that shit up so we could keep records, and try to make sense of shit. 1 second has a value, but it is based on something that has no definition by nature.


ok, so with that in mind, a "flush" is just what we call it when we have one round of harvest. ever see those shrooms that aren't ready to pick when the others are? if they were the only ones, we wouldn't harvest yet.

i say that to say that picking mushies does not signal the cake to demand a dunk, but rather harvesting indicates that the majority are mature and ready.

imagine this as well...if you got a damn fine pinset, and harvested 1/2 the pins, the others would not stop growing, nor would others not pop up.



sorry for the philosophy lesson, but when it was explained to me like this, it made sense.

oh, and more on topic, be more patient. im sure you already gathered that. mist, fan, wait. your babies need TIME, not attention.

i have faith in you JJ; you;ll fuckin get it. keep using your brain. :2cents:


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Re: Still no pins :( [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15157573 - 09/30/11 11:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry I posted earlier I was tired as shit. idk what i was thinking lol. co2 can help with pinning, but only in the respect that high levels of the beneficial bacteria in the casing layer such as Pseudomonas putida help develop primordia, which feeds of co2 and other gases, therefor it is desirable to build up co2 and other metabolic gases prior to pinning (The Mushroom Cultivator, pg. 125). I knew the foil method was for humidity.... durp. i need to stop posting when i've been up for over 24 hours :P

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