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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515287 - 05/02/03 03:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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In times of bountiful harvest

By definition, hunter gatherer societies didn't plant crops. There was no "harvest".

raid your neigbours

By definition, Hunter gatherer societies follow herds. You cannot have many possessions when you have to move all the time. "Raids on your neighbours" (what neighbours?) would be utterly pointless and with the risk of injury and death to your own group, ensure your rapid extinction.




Well first off, oh wait....others have already called the bull shit. Alex look at archeological data. Human skulls and bone autopsys of the time show many violent deaths, trauma, and hardships.
People could not always find herds and bountiful HARVESTS in thier nomadic life style, and warring was for food and other base nescessities.


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1515334 - 05/02/03 03:28 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Alex look at archeological data

You've never looked at archeological data in your life. 12 hours ago you thought hunter-gatherers harvested crops.


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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515342 - 05/02/03 03:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

jesus alex, he said,

"In times of bountiful harvest and good hunting, war was quite rare and trade often prospered." (emphasis added)

NOWHERE did he mention agricultural crops.

does "harvest" necessarily pertain to "crops"?

NO.

Edited by mushmaster (05/02/03 03:32 PM)

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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: ]
    #1515346 - 05/02/03 03:32 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

*yawn*

Tell me what these "bountiful harvests" consisted of.


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Anonymous

Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515350 - 05/02/03 03:33 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

what do you think hunter gatherers gathered?

regardless, you're getting off on a tangent.

i'll make this quick: nuts, berries, squash, acorns, wild fruit... the first domesticated crop was the avocado, and it was domesticated in mexico less than 10,000 years ago. people have been harvesting wild plant foods from nature long before that.

how about addressing any of the arguments in my earlier posts or providing empirical data to support your claims?

Edited by mushmaster (05/02/03 03:38 PM)

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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: ]
    #1515357 - 05/02/03 03:36 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

That's hunter-gatherers. Not hunter-harvesters.


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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515367 - 05/02/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Main Entry: 2harvest
Function: verb
Date: 15th century
transitive senses
1 a : to gather in (a crop) : REAP b : to gather, catch, hunt, or kill (as salmon, oysters, or deer) for human use, sport, or population control c : to remove or extract (as living cells, tissues, or organs) from culture or a living or recently deceased body especially for transplanting
2 a : to accumulate a store of b : to win by achievement
intransitive senses : to gather in a crop especially for food
- har?vest?able /-v&-st&-b&l/ adjective
- har?vest?er noun


Main Entry: 1crop
Pronunciation: 'kr?p
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, craw, head of a plant, yield of a field, from Old English cropp craw, head of a plant; akin to Old High German kropf goiter, craw
Date: before 12th century
1 : a pouched enlargement of the gullet of many birds that serves as a receptacle for food and for its preliminary maceration; also : an enlargement of the gullet of another animal (as an insect)
2 a (1) : a plant or animal or plant or animal product that can be grown and harvested extensively for profit or subsistence (2) : the total yearly production from a specified area b : the product or yield of something formed together c : a batch or lot of something produced during a particular cycle d : COLLECTION
3 : the stock or handle of a whip; also : a riding whip with a short straight stock and a loop
4 [2crop] a : the part of the chine of a quadruped (as a domestic cow) lying immediately behind the withers -- usually used in plural; see COW illustration b : an earmark on an animal; especially : one made by a straight cut squarely removing the upper part of the ear c : a close cut of the hair


or are we using the Alex Dictionary of the English Language now?

Edited by mushmaster (05/02/03 03:42 PM)

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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: ]
    #1515369 - 05/02/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Is it worth it? You knowledge of hunter-gatherers extends 36 hours and you're already convinced you're right. There's no arguing with that mentality.




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Anonymous

Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515374 - 05/02/03 03:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

alex, please read my posts. i did not first encounter this idea 36 hours ago. as i have stated, my original major in college was anthropology and i learned a great deal about hunter gatherer societies. that's why i know things that you don't. read my posts from the other page please.

Edited by mushmaster (05/02/03 04:21 PM)

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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: ]
    #1515376 - 05/02/03 03:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Date: 15th century

Talk about going off on tangents.


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Anonymous

Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515381 - 05/02/03 03:45 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of the English Language, you can "harvest" deer.

when was the last time you saw a deer farm? since when have deer been an agricultural crop?

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Anonymous

Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515383 - 05/02/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

alex. the word can be traced back to the 15th century. that doesn't mean that it's outdated by 500 years.

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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: ]
    #1515397 - 05/02/03 03:52 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i learned a great deal about hunter gatherer societies. that's why i know things that you don't.

Fine. There really is nothing more to say. You first encountered this idea 36 hours ago and have now reached your unshakeable conclusion. I'm impressed by your open mind.


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Re: Hunter Gatherer Societies [Re: Xlea321]
    #1515406 - 05/02/03 03:54 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


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