Home | Community | Message Board

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   Myyco.com Pan Cyan Liquid Culture For Sale   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore Bulk Substrate   OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
case with manure or 50/50? *DELETED*
    #15149823 - 09/28/11 09:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Post deleted by the_hatter

Reason for deletion: meh


Edited by the_hatter (09/28/11 09:45 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledtowntoker
gimme a spliff
Registered: 08/06/11
Posts: 2,368
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15149856 - 09/28/11 09:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You're not casing with manure, you're spawning to bulk.  Doesn't matter what you call it.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: dtowntoker]
    #15149896 - 09/28/11 09:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

dtowntoker said:
You're not casing with manure, you're spawning to bulk.  Doesn't matter what you call it.




alright ill take your word on that thanks for correcting me, but, i guess i dont really care about what im technically doing if i choose one of the options lol i just want to know what someone more experienced than i would do.  what im talking about is when you put a layer over your colonized substrate and let it colonize that untill it comes through the valleys and then put in the fc.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesteelmonkey
Homejigger
Male


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,822
Loc: Nova Scotia,Canada Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15150015 - 09/28/11 10:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thats called a casing layer and you want to use 50/50 buffered with lime


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #15150112 - 09/28/11 10:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

steelmonkey said:
Thats called a casing layer and you want to use 50/50 buffered with lime




shit so i was right to begin with?  but you recommend the 50/50 then?  can i ask why you would say its a better choice?  i only have one (bad) experience with it so thats why i'm hesitant.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekingpsilo281
the Perfectionist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/10
Posts: 242
Loc: Gulfcoast
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15150177 - 09/28/11 10:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The_Hatter:
    Personally,I use like 40% coir 30% peatmoss 30% verm .buffered with hydrated lime.. i like some coir in there, it holds water a bit better, than just peatemoss and verm.. but 50/50 works. Good Luck:super:


--------------------
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places...

  infowars.com  shatterthedarkness.net  stevequayle.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesteelmonkey
Homejigger
Male


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,822
Loc: Nova Scotia,Canada Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15150190 - 09/28/11 10:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate

You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues

You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content

personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one

Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #15150770 - 09/29/11 12:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

steelmonkey said:
technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate

You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues

You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content

personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one

Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one




does the pinset suffer without a casing layer?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePinsWellWithOthers
Thread Derailer


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/15/10
Posts: 1,834
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15150795 - 09/29/11 12:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

the_hatter said:
Quote:

steelmonkey said:
technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate

You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues

You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content

personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one

Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one




does the pinset suffer without a casing layer?




Quote:

cubes don't need one




srsly not at all. The effects are so minimal that its just a waste. Save your 50/50+ for your pan cyans.

Edited by PinsWellWithOthers (09/29/11 12:47 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #15153374 - 09/29/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

kingpsilo281 said:
The_Hatter:
    Personally,I use like 40% coir 30% peatmoss 30% verm .buffered with hydrated lime.. i like some coir in there, it holds water a bit better, than just peatemoss and verm.. but 50/50 works. Good Luck:super:



ok well ill have to try that ratio next time i do a casing even if i leave this one uncased, thanks for the input.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
    #15153391 - 09/29/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

PinsWellWithOthers said:
Quote:

the_hatter said:
Quote:

steelmonkey said:
technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate

You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues

You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content

personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one

Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one




does the pinset suffer without a casing layer?




Quote:

cubes don't need one




srsly not at all. The effects are so minimal that its just a waste. Save your 50/50+ for your pan cyans.



 
alright well thanks for the input i think after hearing this ill probably not do a casing layer.  definately good to know, saves me work.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekingpsilo281
the Perfectionist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/10
Posts: 242
Loc: Gulfcoast
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15153634 - 09/29/11 03:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well, you need to try both ways..because it works for me better to have a casing, i always get a better pinset with a casing.. But this is from my experience on what works for me best.. just sayin, try both and see what you like better,,


--------------------
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places...

  infowars.com  shatterthedarkness.net  stevequayle.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #15154003 - 09/29/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

kingpsilo281 said:
well, you need to try both ways..because it works for me better to have a casing, i always get a better pinset with a casing.. But this is from my experience on what works for me best.. just sayin, try both and see what you like better,,




im thinking maybe i should just make room and do a second monotub and do one each way, ive got enough spawn at least...  itll be fun anyway :grin:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFried Brains
member
Registered: 12/21/98
Posts: 83
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15154154 - 09/29/11 05:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

peat-moss, vermiculite, ( 50-50) calcium carbonate particles, used in cattle, find lime suppler,2 cups (Helps give body, I have used clean river sand as well ) a little bit hydrated lime to buffer, (1//4 handful ) mixed in 30cm bowl, nuked in microwave 10 minutes, 100% success for any mushrooms that need a casing layer, with the exception of Agaricus Blazei

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesteelmonkey
Homejigger
Male


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,822
Loc: Nova Scotia,Canada Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: Fried Brains]
    #15154990 - 09/29/11 08:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Go ahead and try both but using a casing layer in a mono is almost pointless since your tub should be at almost or 100% humidity


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekingpsilo281
the Perfectionist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/10
Posts: 242
Loc: Gulfcoast
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #15155611 - 09/29/11 10:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hatter:
  One thing i like about a casing layer, is that it acts like a sponge when you mist your tubs, or even when you get water condensation on the lid or the walls of the tubs, and the water runs down or drips on the substrate and pools..this will keep your substrate from pooling and causing bacteria,your chances of your tub drying out are alot less too..if you are new at mono tubs, its gonna take some practice to perfect what works best for you..And one problem alot of people have with mono tubs is keeping the surface of the substrate from drying out or keeping it from pooling, which eventually causes bacterial problems.
I know cubes dont need a casing to fruit, but if it helps to eliminate the risks i mentioned, then its worth the extra few days of waiting.







these are all cased..


--------------------
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places...

  infowars.com  shatterthedarkness.net  stevequayle.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRahz
Alive Again
Male

Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 10,314
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #15155659 - 09/29/11 10:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

A casing makes the mycleium more resiliant to misting, FAE, etc. This isn't a problem in a monotub but it could be in other situations.


--------------------
rahz

comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

"If you knew how quickly people forget the dead... you would stop living to impress people." — Christopher Walken

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekingpsilo281
the Perfectionist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/10
Posts: 242
Loc: Gulfcoast
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: Rahz]
    #15155671 - 09/29/11 10:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:  i agree.


--------------------
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places...

  infowars.com  shatterthedarkness.net  stevequayle.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe_hatter
half mad

Registered: 04/18/10
Posts: 753
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #15157338 - 09/30/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

alright thanks for all the great info guys, very helpful.  now i at least have a good idea of the advantages and disadvantages.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekingpsilo281
the Perfectionist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/10
Posts: 242
Loc: Gulfcoast
Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
    #15157682 - 09/30/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

your welcome bro..
  if you got any questions, pm me.. glad to help:biggrin:


--------------------
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places...

  infowars.com  shatterthedarkness.net  stevequayle.com

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   Myyco.com Pan Cyan Liquid Culture For Sale   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore Bulk Substrate   OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Re: can i sterilize top layer of casing mix like i do substrate? Anonymous 970 2 01/19/00 05:23 PM
by Anonymous
* Casing Manure+Vermiculite SumGuy 1,976 1 07/26/01 11:12 PM
by dimitri211
* Casing Trouble (50/50) jv01626 1,028 6 06/16/01 08:51 AM
by Maddoc
* case with 50/50 or coco fiber? Sir Tokes-A-Lot 1,325 4 09/23/01 02:04 AM
by Anonymous
* Pan Cyan Substrate? Zen Peddler 12,497 7 03/15/18 01:12 PM
by Mycolorado
* POLL:BEST CASING strain 1,501 11 05/20/02 11:09 AM
by angryshroom
* Casings and humidity
( 1 2 all )
angryshroom 20,807 23 04/07/18 09:52 AM
by SarahBorealis
* Casing Overlay with Amazonians??? Catzeye 1,734 10 11/22/01 10:53 PM
by Catzeye

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
2,230 topic views. 31 members, 137 guests and 48 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2025 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.