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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Wise Toad]
    #15139305 - 09/26/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i'm an intp, my only 2 friends since i was a teenager are both intps and my dad is intp.

i sometimes joke that if it weren't for alcohol or meth/coke i'd still be a virgin.
it may be true..(although i would have paid for a hooker a long time ago tho i suppose)..i've been in several long term relationships..2 3 year relationships and currently six years..she is an infp? whichever one is the healer i can't remember..works ok except we're both terrible at communicating feelings:tongue:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: filthydee]
    #15140963 - 09/27/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Filthydee - INFP is the healer - that's what I am and I suspect my bf is an INTP - he's horrible at communicating. Is she bad at communicating all feelings??? I can communicate positive feelings very well but have a natural instinct to avoid conflict so I've had to work very hard at learning to communicate negative feelings in a constructive manner so that a positive outcome can be had - and worked at developing my logical side so that my emotions don't control everything. I know that this describes me to a T:

http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_rel.html

Personally I think it's a good combination - best to you and your gal.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: SillyMe]
    #15141323 - 09/27/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

When I think about this subject, I have a good laugh thinking about the analysis of my animals.

My typing is between INTJ/FJ as well. When it comes up TJ it is weak, 1% on T & J, in FJ it is a much stronger %. This is due to the fact that I have developed the T as a tool of discretion.

Each typing has its weaknesses and strengths. It is through immersion in 'the book of nature' whereby each person comes into balance. The strength and the sensitivity are equally important. Nature is ruthless and impartial, we must listen, feel, think, speak and act with equal force. Transcendence is another all its own, and perhaps closer to the objective way of nature than the others, but requires great focus in bringing back down intact.

Concerning relationship, compatibility is a rare find for those of us with rare constitutions. Even more so for those of us who have sought and found development, for the loss of weaknesses renders us even more unrecognizable. Humans find solice in shared fear and inability, 'misery loves company'. Those of us who manage this growth either become more hermit-like, basking in the inner-light, or become teachers, leaders and healers in the public light, the various wizards of man. A mix of both is very fulfilling. I have to really like (and whatever the pre-cursor of love is called) somebody in order to have any interest. In the past I've gone along with women who have pursued me, they only wind up injured, much to my dismay. Now, I look forward to finding the right match for myself, although I have the patience for continuing my self-sufficiency, the work is company enough for this lifetime. It doesn't hurt to have a broad circle of close friends around the world for company (although many of them are females, of course, and so thereby tainted to some degree by their romantic hopes, haha). The solitary wolf who adopts the skills of an entire pack.

Take strength in yourself. Develop skill, memory, physical fitness, DISCRETION, always reach beyond and never look back, once on the way the razors edge will cutoff our feet if we hesitate.

The story of the world. 

This practice, personality typing, is a modern-day interpretation of the concept of constitutional analysis. The true domain of divination. It is imbalance in the sincerity of science which has allowed the full art of divination to fall into the bowels, today meaning little more than a hokey bastardization of astrology, cards and obsession with armageddon. 

It's been the end of the world every day since this fucking place started. That which is above is as that which is below, for the completion of the one thing. Full of inconceivable mystery, beauty and pain. 


The Universities are full of crooks, demons, theory and false-superiority, spitting poison. If a person is able to navigate through this mine-field and find success, more power to them, however, even permitting this ability, the seeker must still ultimately find his/her own force. The strength of self-education is very notably superior. When actually alone, self-sufficient, it is clear that the path of traditional oral and practical lesson is the archetype of university, with only fractions of true knowledge available in 'the system'. Our modern culture is the master of taking things apart, but fails miserably at putting them back together. Good luck finding anything whole and intact within the mass. The most important aspect of the path of the scientist is to be of service to those in need. Modern day science only renders the world in greater need.

"No wealth nor land not silver nor gold, nothing satisfies me but your soul".


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: lIXII]
    #15141478 - 09/27/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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lIXII said:
When I think about this subject, I have a good laugh thinking about the analysis of my animals.

My typing is between INTJ/FJ as well. When it comes up TJ it is weak, 1% on T & J, in FJ it is a much stronger %. This is due to the fact that I have developed the T as a tool of discretion.

Each typing has its weaknesses and strengths. It is through immersion in 'the book of nature' whereby each person comes into balance. The strength and the sensitivity are equally important. Nature is ruthless and impartial, we must listen, feel, think, speak and act with equal force. Transcendence is another all its own, and perhaps closer to the objective way of nature than the others, but requires great focus in bringing back down intact.

Concerning relationship, compatibility is a rare find for those of us with rare constitutions. Even more so for those of us who have sought and found development, for the loss of weaknesses renders us even more unrecognizable. Humans find solice in shared fear and inability, 'misery loves company'. Those of us who manage this growth either become more hermit-like, basking in the inner-light, or become teachers, leaders and healers in the public light, the various wizards of man. A mix of both is very fulfilling. I have to really like (and whatever the pre-cursor of love is called) somebody in order to have any interest. In the past I've gone along with women who have pursued me, they only wind up injured, much to my dismay. Now, I look forward to finding the right match for myself, although I have the patience for continuing my self-sufficiency, the work is company enough for this lifetime. It doesn't hurt to have a broad circle of close friends around the world for company (although many of them are females, of course, and so thereby tainted to some degree by their romantic hopes, haha). The solitary wolf who adopts the skills of an entire pack.

Take strength in yourself. Develop skill, memory, physical fitness, DISCRETION, always reach beyond and never look back, once on the way the razors edge will cutoff our feet if we hesitate.

The story of the world. 

This practice, personality typing, is a modern-day interpretation of the concept of constitutional analysis. The true domain of divination. It is imbalance in the sincerity of science which has allowed the full art of divination to fall into the bowels, today meaning little more than a hokey bastardization of astrology, cards and obsession with armageddon. 

It's been the end of the world every day since this fucking place started. That which is above is as that which is below, for the completion of the one thing. Full of inconceivable mystery, beauty and pain. 


The Universities are full of crooks, demons, theory and false-superiority, spitting poison. If a person is able to navigate through this mine-field and find success, more power to them, however, even permitting this ability, the seeker must still ultimately find his/her own force. The strength of self-education is very notably superior. When actually alone, self-sufficient, it is clear that the path of traditional oral and practical lesson is the archetype of university, with only fractions of true knowledge available in 'the system'. Our modern culture is the master of taking things apart, but fails miserably at putting them back together. Good luck finding anything whole and intact within the mass. The most important aspect of the path of the scientist is to be of service to those in need. Modern day science only renders the world in greater need.

"No wealth nor land not silver nor gold, nothing satisfies me but your soul".




Nice :thumbup:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: SillyMe]
    #15142406 - 09/27/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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SillyMe said:
Filthydee - INFP is the healer - that's what I am and I suspect my bf is an INTP - he's horrible at communicating. Is she bad at communicating all feelings??? I can communicate positive feelings very well but have a natural instinct to avoid conflict so I've had to work very hard at learning to communicate negative feelings in a constructive manner so that a positive outcome can be had - and worked at developing my logical side so that my emotions don't control everything. I know that this describes me to a T:

http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_rel.html

Personally I think it's a good combination - best to you and your gal.




silly- you nailed it, i'm not a great communicator in relationships, she definitely communicates positive feelings, and holds negative to avoid confrontation. funny we're like the bizzaro you or vice versa..
we have gotten much better than when we started 6 years ago, but it still needs work..
best to you and your man as well:sun:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: filthydee]
    #15145533 - 09/28/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well said lIXII, I like how you go into nature being adamantly fact which, if ignored, will bring repercussions upon the individual. That aspect is mirrored by society as best it can, dehumanizing to force the people into step with the masters tune.

It would seem that a preference for Thinking suits one bent on being bold enough to survive the mixed forces of social structure and nature that must be dealt with. On the other hand Feeling goes along with the human emotional aspect, taking the consciousness of the individual into account; both sentimentalism, heroics, and vulnerability accompany it.

A balance between the two is necessary to get along with all aspects of reality

I would prefer to Feel but seem to rely on the Thinking aspect for most of my actions, extending to the discretion of my words depending upon the company. I wish I could always be open, expressive, and creative; this is what I judge my non professional interaction on, seeking depth through either 1 on 1 conversation or solo thought

The preference is secondary to the individuals situational awareness; perhaps the personality test is meant to judge only what is within, introspective processes of the mind as opposed to ones appearance within a group

I have to wonder if I would be an extrovert if all those I know were more like me. How far do the terms extroversion/introversion go? From all Iv read on the subject on not only wikipedia but several other sources with articles dedicated to personality typing it still seems unclear as to whether extroversion/introversion reflects a desire to spend more or less time being introspective vs. extrospective or if its simply about other people(which is conducive to extrospection) and to what extent? Does being an extrovert mean seeking out a large crowd or can it just be that close circle of friends, does it mean that they desire breadth in friendship(many friends) instead of depth? If not for depth then what, self satisfaction at the great many friends? These tests tell me so little about people but they are an exceptional conversation tool


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Wise Toad]
    #15146870 - 09/28/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wise toad,

As with most of these newer systems of analysis, the briggs-meyer test offers information concerning only a fraction of the understanding of interaction, which is only a fraction of what composes the entirety of a person. Clearly, it only approaches the person as a social entity, all of the descriptors relate directly to interpersonal interaction. When I'm out in the woods, somebody probably would think I'm a sasquatch more than an INXX.

There are also many important qualities which are left out of this understanding, for instance provider vs consumer, asshole vs nice person, & on. As you note, this test is more about the internal perspective, as for instance, when I'm teaching or meeting a new person, they're not really gonna be able to guess my briggs-meyer type...   

I do think that extroversion & introversion are objective qualities of people, does a person feel fed and balanced by social interaction or by being productive on their own, does a person need reflection from the outside to understand themselves or are their own internal processes sufficient, etc. 

Typically, an introvert will become more communicative when in comfortable settings, this is true of extroverts as well, and I've seen very 'outgoing' people clam up when amongst uncomfortable / unfamiliar settings.

Albeit as a rough and incomplete system, even the B-M test can be informative, it reveals something about a person that is usually very difficult to have them put into words. In terms of relationship, this system can definitely tell us something of compatibility, but for myself, as for many others, my own interpretation of a person is usually very accurate and occurs much more quickly than B-M.

Also, not to be forgotten is the fact that humans are a part of nature. As modern humans we have chosen to develop behaviors that set us at an artificial distance from natural cycles. It may be said that most of the serious problems that we face as a species are due to this practice. In my mind, the loss of tradition is probably the worst casualty that we have suffered/ are suffering, as this is the information that has been earned through thousands of years of direct contact with the earth. Surely, modern technology/ [false] science is a direct heir of tradition, but it intentionally discredits and destroys its progenitors, like a spoiled and selfish child considering only its own good fortune.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: lIXII]
    #15147562 - 09/28/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm ENFP, I'm not really 100% sure what that really means...:confused:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: SARAtonin]
    #15147604 - 09/28/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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SARAtonin said:
I'm ENFP, I'm not really 100% sure what that really means...:confused:




IT MEANS YOU LIKE TO PARTY!  :rave:  :rave:  :rave:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: extreme]
    #15147666 - 09/28/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh! I'm okay with that!  :biggrin:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: lIXII]
    #15149970 - 09/28/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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lIXII said:
Wise toad,

As with most of these newer systems of analysis, the briggs-meyer test offers information concerning only a fraction of the understanding of interaction, which is only a fraction of what composes the entirety of a person. Clearly, it only approaches the person as a social entity, all of the descriptors relate directly to interpersonal interaction. When I'm out in the woods, somebody probably would think I'm a sasquatch more than an INXX.

There are also many important qualities which are left out of this understanding, for instance provider vs consumer, asshole vs nice person, & on. As you note, this test is more about the internal perspective, as for instance, when I'm teaching or meeting a new person, they're not really gonna be able to guess my briggs-meyer type...   

I do think that extroversion & introversion are objective qualities of people, does a person feel fed and balanced by social interaction or by being productive on their own, does a person need reflection from the outside to understand themselves or are their own internal processes sufficient, etc. 

Typically, an introvert will become more communicative when in comfortable settings, this is true of extroverts as well, and I've seen very 'outgoing' people clam up when amongst uncomfortable / unfamiliar settings.

Albeit as a rough and incomplete system, even the B-M test can be informative, it reveals something about a person that is usually very difficult to have them put into words. In terms of relationship, this system can definitely tell us something of compatibility, but for myself, as for many others, my own interpretation of a person is usually very accurate and occurs much more quickly than B-M.

Also, not to be forgotten is the fact that humans are a part of nature. As modern humans we have chosen to develop behaviors that set us at an artificial distance from natural cycles. It may be said that most of the serious problems that we face as a species are due to this practice. In my mind, the loss of tradition is probably the worst casualty that we have suffered/ are suffering, as this is the information that has been earned through thousands of years of direct contact with the earth. Surely, modern technology/ [false] science is a direct heir of tradition, but it intentionally discredits and destroys its progenitors, like a spoiled and selfish child considering only its own good fortune.




The constant erasure of culture is tragic, amnesia says it all. Tradition is just like everything else, both good and bad in it; but it is important for a people to have a past worth exploring. A great aspect of humanity is its widely varying perspectives; all the heros, villains, pacifists, dictators, all the radicals. Those outliers make the story interesting but at the same time denote a conflict within the societal organization. While its not perfect I would prefer this over a world with one baseline perspective experienced by all, a single set of social norms with no chance for sustainable variance, lacking a future.

The problem there lies in the lack of diversity, it will create a monoculture of culture; monocultures are extremely vulnerable as they can be defeated with only one solution. Examples being biodiversity, the less diverse the life the more easily wiped out by one simple catastrophe; why are we still here when all the dinosaurs died, some species obviously survived. Any society that prevents a future for the people will have no future because they will be dismantled by someone with intelligence that surpasses theirs.  This is the beauty of thought, a 1984 type scenario couldnt last long; the further from nature we get the weaker we are in so many ways,

Its funny tho, those best online friends of mine all turned out to be INFP; so many ways to go about personality

I would like to see a study done on sociopaths in regards to personality, see if there is any correlation between myers briggs type and the average sociopath; an enigma worth unraveling


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