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the_hatter
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case with manure or 50/50? *DELETED*
#15149823 - 09/28/11 09:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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dtowntoker
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15149856 - 09/28/11 09:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're not casing with manure, you're spawning to bulk. Doesn't matter what you call it.
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the_hatter
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: dtowntoker]
#15149896 - 09/28/11 09:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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dtowntoker said: You're not casing with manure, you're spawning to bulk. Doesn't matter what you call it.
alright ill take your word on that thanks for correcting me, but, i guess i dont really care about what im technically doing if i choose one of the options lol i just want to know what someone more experienced than i would do. what im talking about is when you put a layer over your colonized substrate and let it colonize that untill it comes through the valleys and then put in the fc.
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15150015 - 09/28/11 10:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats called a casing layer and you want to use 50/50 buffered with lime
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the_hatter
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: steelmonkey]
#15150112 - 09/28/11 10:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: Thats called a casing layer and you want to use 50/50 buffered with lime
shit so i was right to begin with? but you recommend the 50/50 then? can i ask why you would say its a better choice? i only have one (bad) experience with it so thats why i'm hesitant.
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kingpsilo281
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15150177 - 09/28/11 10:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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The_Hatter: Personally,I use like 40% coir 30% peatmoss 30% verm .buffered with hydrated lime.. i like some coir in there, it holds water a bit better, than just peatemoss and verm.. but 50/50 works. Good Luck
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15150190 - 09/28/11 10:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate
You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues
You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content
personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one
Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: steelmonkey]
#15150770 - 09/29/11 12:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate
You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues
You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content
personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one
Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one
does the pinset suffer without a casing layer?
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15150795 - 09/29/11 12:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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the_hatter said:
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steelmonkey said: technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate
You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues
You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content
personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one
Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one
does the pinset suffer without a casing layer?
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cubes don't need one
srsly not at all. The effects are so minimal that its just a waste. Save your 50/50+ for your pan cyans.
Edited by PinsWellWithOthers (09/29/11 12:47 AM)
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the_hatter
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kingpsilo281 said: The_Hatter: Personally,I use like 40% coir 30% peatmoss 30% verm .buffered with hydrated lime.. i like some coir in there, it holds water a bit better, than just peatemoss and verm.. but 50/50 works. Good Luck
ok well ill have to try that ratio next time i do a casing even if i leave this one uncased, thanks for the input.
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the_hatter
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PinsWellWithOthers said:
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the_hatter said:
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steelmonkey said: technically its not a casing layer if it has nutrients it then just becomes a extension of your substrate
You use a casing layer of lets say 50/50 in cases where you might have humidity issues
You probally had poor performance from your last casing layer of 50/50 because of incorrect moisture content
personally if you're doing a mono I wouldn't use a casing layer at all cubes don't need one
Also make sure you pasteurize your substrate and casing layer if you do decide to use one
does the pinset suffer without a casing layer?
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cubes don't need one
srsly not at all. The effects are so minimal that its just a waste. Save your 50/50+ for your pan cyans.
alright well thanks for the input i think after hearing this ill probably not do a casing layer. definately good to know, saves me work.
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kingpsilo281
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15153634 - 09/29/11 03:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, you need to try both ways..because it works for me better to have a casing, i always get a better pinset with a casing.. But this is from my experience on what works for me best.. just sayin, try both and see what you like better,,
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the_hatter
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kingpsilo281 said: well, you need to try both ways..because it works for me better to have a casing, i always get a better pinset with a casing.. But this is from my experience on what works for me best.. just sayin, try both and see what you like better,,
im thinking maybe i should just make room and do a second monotub and do one each way, ive got enough spawn at least... itll be fun anyway
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15154154 - 09/29/11 05:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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peat-moss, vermiculite, ( 50-50) calcium carbonate particles, used in cattle, find lime suppler,2 cups (Helps give body, I have used clean river sand as well ) a little bit hydrated lime to buffer, (1//4 handful ) mixed in 30cm bowl, nuked in microwave 10 minutes, 100% success for any mushrooms that need a casing layer, with the exception of Agaricus Blazei
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Go ahead and try both but using a casing layer in a mono is almost pointless since your tub should be at almost or 100% humidity
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kingpsilo281
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: steelmonkey]
#15155611 - 09/29/11 10:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hatter: One thing i like about a casing layer, is that it acts like a sponge when you mist your tubs, or even when you get water condensation on the lid or the walls of the tubs, and the water runs down or drips on the substrate and pools..this will keep your substrate from pooling and causing bacteria,your chances of your tub drying out are alot less too..if you are new at mono tubs, its gonna take some practice to perfect what works best for you..And one problem alot of people have with mono tubs is keeping the surface of the substrate from drying out or keeping it from pooling, which eventually causes bacterial problems. I know cubes dont need a casing to fruit, but if it helps to eliminate the risks i mentioned, then its worth the extra few days of waiting.



these are all cased..
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A casing makes the mycleium more resiliant to misting, FAE, etc. This isn't a problem in a monotub but it could be in other situations.
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kingpsilo281
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: Rahz]
#15155671 - 09/29/11 10:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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i agree.
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the_hatter
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alright thanks for all the great info guys, very helpful. now i at least have a good idea of the advantages and disadvantages.
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kingpsilo281
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Re: case with manure or 50/50? [Re: the_hatter]
#15157682 - 09/30/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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your welcome bro.. if you got any questions, pm me.. glad to help
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