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If God really wants us to believe in him...
    #1514028 - 05/02/03 07:14 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

...then why is he hiding?

I imagine someone is thinking that the beauty of nature is proof of God.

It isn't.

Faith is believing what you want to believe for no other reason than the simple fact that you want to.

Faith in God is merely faith in yourself, and your ability to believe strange things, faith in some ancient doccument(s) and a bunch of long dead stiffs, and faith in those who told you what to believe.

Seriously. If God REALLY wants us to believe in him then why play this cosmic game of peekaboo?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1514031 - 05/02/03 07:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I am not relgious at all, but who said that god wants us to believe in him ?
If God exists why should he bother with us lesser creatures ?
Why should he care wheither we believe in him or not ?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: JeRiKo1]
    #1514038 - 05/02/03 07:30 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Most documents that claim to represent God Claim that belief in God is the most important thing in the universe.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1514046 - 05/02/03 07:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1514055 - 05/02/03 07:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What if, you were not asking the right questions?

What if, you were not looking in the right places?

What if, you weren't even looking for the right things?


There is a HUGE difference from what you may EXPECT as compared to what really IS.

REAL LIFE is often not as "FLASHY" as the movies!


Everyone knows that even nature is not "an open book"... You must do some digging to get some answers... How could you expect anything less from Existance.


I'll postulate a reason for your query...

The Answer is "hiding" in order to defferentiate the real SEEKERS from those who let things pass them by.

I really like this analogy from a VW commercial....

"There are Drivers... and there are Passengers."        :laugh:



... Will the Drivers please take a few steps forward !!!! ?   

   


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1514182 - 05/02/03 09:39 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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...then why is he hiding?




... perhaps you are not looking?  :smile:

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Faith is believing what you want to believe for no other reason than the simple fact that you want to.




For you perhaps.  Faith is a bridge between "" and our duality.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1514197 - 05/02/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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... perhaps you are not looking? :smile:



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yes, you are not looking.  he is everywhere. 


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1514721 - 05/02/03 02:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

For the disbeliever there is not enough evidence,
For those who believe, none is needed.

And if a believer does need evidence, they can create it (ie. "I felt god in my heart" or "He is everywhere" :smile:).

Kind of a catch-22.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1514780 - 05/02/03 02:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

it is truly the mystery of all mysteries and looking harder will not necessarily find god for you...this is the beauty of it all.....the first question that you need to answer is what is reality and why am i here? the answers are not written in a book and you are the only One who can answer them. Good luck


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: You_are_God]
    #1514794 - 05/02/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see any mystery to it at all...... its just another false idiology that got very popular and makes people very comfortable


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1514807 - 05/02/03 02:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

if that ideology makes you comftorable then it is right for you at this time....when you see that every thought in your head that is biased is an ideology you will truly be progressing. What is your goal?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1515286 - 05/02/03 05:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe because God wants us to worship him because we want to, not because we see a huge face in the sky with a loud voice.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1515324 - 05/02/03 05:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, I see. So god has a plan for my disbelief, and I will be rewarded for it?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1515329 - 05/02/03 05:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That makes sense, but why would he want us to worship him in the first place?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1515410 - 05/02/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1515421 - 05/02/03 06:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

...Just then Baby_Hitler realized the rediculousness of the situation, and didn't return to S&P for another six months.

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1515512 - 05/02/03 06:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno, but I wouldn't mind having billions of people worship me.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1515589 - 05/02/03 07:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What if you never learned or heard of god growing up or in your life?
Then would your faith just appear cuz he is everywhere, everything, and every cause and you and everyone will know this because he is the awesome power and source for everything? - If you answer this and say Yes to this i will be interested, hoping you will back up your argument...

Hiding? WHY oh WHY would he be hiding? How would you even know hes hiding if you haven't found him yet?! Where did you get all these ideas about a god and reason for why we're here?

Theres a leprachaun hiding in my room right now, and how do i know this? I feel his presence in my life and his amazing powers in everything, ...hmmmm..... maybe if i write a book about this 'leprachaun' who is our reason for existence and the reason for everything, and properly word the book so it can be seen and understood in infinite ways so that it can justify anything and make people believe less in themselves and more in somebody that they haven't met yet and believe they owe him a big THANKYOU for letting them exist, hmm maybe it could be the biggest best seller book in history? BUT A LEPRACHAUN?! We all know thats so untrue.. ...right? DO YOU think this is untrue?

If you just thought that the leprachaun idea was untrue then you don't believe in god

I'd figure if you believe in god then you'd think hes not a person but rather just a part of your mind, dont look up to heaven to see god cuz hes not existing in some distant location, infact he doesn't exist until you want him to, you just flick the switch and he exists.. ... much like an invisible friend

Hey i'd like you all to meet my invisible friend, hes responsible for everything existing and everything happening, his name is Nanner Smoking Abuser Frank (aka god)

... whats the matter..? Cant see him..? HES STANDING RIGHT HERE!!! IF YOU CAN'T SEE HIM YOUR BLIND (and are going to hell lol)

No offense to any of you chrisitans or anybody out there

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: SWAY]
    #1515652 - 05/02/03 07:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

There is far more proof that God exsist then just "I feel him"


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1515673 - 05/02/03 08:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't seen it. At least not anything any better than Planet X, or bigfoot.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1515688 - 05/02/03 08:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Strumpling, you are the man. I totally know what you mean about religion and the need for security in this life and the afterlife (if such a thing exists).

There is far more proof that God exsist then just "I feel him"
ok, give me the proof, gimmie gimmie! I want to believe!!!!! Please list all your hard evidence with sources. Remember, we are not considering experiences/feelings/emotions like your statement specifies.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516027 - 05/02/03 11:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

...then why is he hiding?

Dude, I'm right here! Come visit me. Or you could just look in the mirrior. If that doesn't make you believe, then I suggest staring into the mirrior while on a good dose of shrooms. God exists man. It is only your perception of what God is that is fuzzy- shrooms are good at clearing that kinda thing up.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516061 - 05/02/03 11:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

all you're really doing is eliminating a certain definition of 'God' from your mind. what you're really saying is not 'God does not exist' but 'God is not...'

keep on going until you've destroyed every definition. then you will know God.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: ]
    #1516066 - 05/02/03 11:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Is this like looking at one of those "Magic eye" posters?

I'm not saying that I believe in the non-existance of God.

I just lack the ability to believe things for which I have no reason to believe except that I want to.


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    #1516072 - 05/02/03 11:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

that's good. beliefs only get in the way.


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    #1516132 - 05/02/03 11:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

it is possible that god exists. it is possible that flying hippopotami exist. it is possible for a creature with sufficient mental processes to invent an idea which grants reason and explanation to a life which the creature finds unreasonable and unexplainable. it is possible that this idea grants such comfort and meaning upon the creature's life that he feels he should share this concept with his peers for the peers' benefit.

it is possible that some of the creatures with sufficient mental processes find no need or reason for this idea. currently, i am one of those creatures.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1517447 - 05/03/03 01:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What about Jesus? our entire calander is based on him, he must have done SOMETHING...


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: SWAY]
    #1517683 - 05/03/03 03:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

SWAY: "What if you never learned or heard of god growing up or in your life?"
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To this query I would say: " GREAT! - Now you have an unbiased opinion! Go explore and see what you find! "

It is the very labels used to name, that build barriers and blind vision.
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SWAY: " Theres a leprachaun hiding in my room right now, and how do i know this? I feel his presence in my life and his amazing powers in everything, ...hmmmm..... maybe if i write a book about this 'leprachaun' who is our reason for existence and the reason for everything, and properly word the book so it can be seen and understood in infinite ways so that it can justify anything and make people believe less in themselves and more in somebody that they haven't met yet and believe they owe him a big THANKYOU for letting them exist, hmm maybe it could be the biggest best seller book in history?"
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If you wrote such a book -one that made people believe less in themselves- that would mean one thing:  You have been blinded and are afraid to open your ears. A book such as that has little or no value.

If you really want to write something worthy of history, then why not write a book that helps people to BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES!
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SWAY: "BUT A LEPRACHAUN?! We all know thats so untrue.. ...right? DO YOU think this is untrue?

If you just thought that the leprachaun idea was untrue then you don't believe in god..."
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In my mind, that statement is invalid.  It's like saying: " If you are not CHRISTIAN, then you are going to HELL! "

The goal is not so much as what you believe in, as it is, in terms of the things you do while you are here.

The way you talk makes it obvious that you still have much to learn and consider.

... May I suggest taking baby steps, being consistent ( slow & steady wins the race ) & do your best to simply take the facts as they present themselves... If you don't, you will use a biased eye when seeing, thereby maybe even, be cheating yourself, unknowingly.

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: SWAY]
    #1517685 - 05/03/03 03:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

By the way...  Nice AVATAR!    :wink: 


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1517801 - 05/03/03 05:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The days of the week are named after Norse gods.

Months are named after Roman gods and emperors.

Planets are named after pagan gods as well.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1517882 - 05/03/03 06:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If could only show himself openly ONE fucking time than I'm sure that the world would have become a much better place.


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    #1518088 - 05/03/03 08:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

but AD and BC are split based on his birth (Even if it is 4 years off)


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1518208 - 05/03/03 09:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Who uses that calendar?

I know the Asians don't, but what about Jews and Arabs?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518217 - 05/03/03 09:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You are looking in the wrong places for "God" learn what is inside the box before looking outside the box. All the information you need to see/know god is here, there, and everywhere right now.


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    #1518263 - 05/03/03 10:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Right. Like the leprechauns.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518269 - 05/03/03 10:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The Entire U.S. and most of Europe.

He obviously had more influence then anyone else that ever lived, my question to you is, why? if he was just ordinary joe schmuck, who claimed to be the Savior (a lot of people claimed that back then, and even now) how come he, out of ALL thoes people, effected and still effects society today? and how can the bible, predict, the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Returning of the Jews to their homeland, among other things.


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    #1518272 - 05/03/03 10:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oh and lets not forget, there are over 2000 manuscripts that confirm the writtings in the bible, things you are taught in history class as facts can have as little as 2.


EDIT: Also, let me ask you this, Do you beleive Napoleon lived?


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    #1518307 - 05/03/03 10:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I find God in the dock to be an amusing concept.


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    #1518310 - 05/03/03 10:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Deimiyan...

"It is the very labels used to name, that build barriers and blind vision."
-it would take me a paragraph to say that, and you said it in one sentence!!

"If you wrote such a book -one that made people believe less in themselves- that would mean one thing: You have been blinded and are afraid to open your ears. A book such as that has little or no value. "
-You just indirectly insulted the Author/Creator of the bible, which i'd suppose would be god.. right? Nice job insulting god lol j/k, but you can restore your faith if you get on your hands and knees and pray your ass off right now, ...now wouldn't that be 'believing more in yourself' ? ..No it wouldnt be, it would be believing more in god than in yourself (from the way i see it anyway), mainstream christians do it constantly (not that i have any problem with it, especially if it helps them)

If you think thats believing more in yourself then why are you doing all this for god? Is god yourself? I'd hope you'd see it as yourself in a way and not another person or being really cuz if you see it as another person or something then that is believing more in them

"The way you talk makes it obvious that you still have much to learn and consider."

"... May I suggest taking baby steps, being consistent ( slow & steady wins the race ) & do your best to simply take the facts as they present themselves... If you don't, you will use a biased eye when seeing, thereby maybe even, be cheating yourself, unknowingly."
-NIcely said, and pretty true id say..., but i am doing it and im just arguing based on the experiences ive had so far and by doing so im learning by reading other people's arguments too

Plus i should say, not to mean any offense, but i think when you say that that it.. seems like you think your all knowing or am my teacher or something, which is fine with me.. but.. you automaticaly seem to assume that you know far more than me by the way you say that, which i dont doubt that you might, but saying it like that makes you seem kinda all knowing

So ...May i suggest to you to take baby steps in becoming more consciously confident outloud, and to do your best to take the simple facts -- like the fact that you are being biased no matter what you do, and you might be cheating yourself right now for cutting my tongue out before i talk anymore

You said labels are bad.. and that they build barriers and blind vision, ..well it seems to me that you just labeled yourself superior over me and labeled yourself the teacher and me the child learner, ..if your going to use such great words that i admire.. and then designate yourself to be my teacher then you should work on living up to your words better

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    #1518339 - 05/03/03 11:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Right. Like the leprechauns.




Yes. EXACTLY like the Leprechauns.

they are the Elementals that create matter on a sub-atomic level,
they work under the administration of the Elohim, or Trinitized Agents of Creation.
in the Center of the Holographic Torroidal Multiverse, there does exist a primary Personalized Causual Agency ie. God.

it seems to me that God is the Projector of the Hologram or the thinker of the thought, Formless Form creating Form...
Everything is Consciousness, nothing exists BUT God... why are YOU hiding?
it it is "i" that has the choice of recognizing the source as Other or Self.

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: SWAY]
    #1518376 - 05/03/03 11:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

SWAY: "You just indirectly insulted the Author/Creator of the bible, which i'd suppose would be god.. right? Nice job insulting god lol "
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There is alot of politics involved with the BIBLE.  The ones who had control back then made sure that they remain in control...  even if it meant dishonour.

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I said: "The way you talk makes it obvious that you still have much to learn and consider."

To which SWAY replies: "...i should say, not to mean any offense, but i think when you say that that it.. seems like you think your all knowing....
.....for cutting my tongue out before i talk anymore.....
.....well it seems to me that you just labeled yourself superior over me..."
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:shocked:  [DEEP BREATH]

Ok... First of all...  I appologize for that particular wording. I should have considered your possible interpretation... I'm sorry; I was pressed for time while doing several things at once.

When I said that, I was refering to the book (the one where people believe less in themselves you were refering to writing).  That is not what I was implying at all...

AND... I was not insulting anyone as you say: "You just indirectly insulted the Author/Creator of the bible, which i'd suppose would be god..."

The way that those words in the BIBLE are presented, I tell you, it is exactly how it was supposed to be (... And I'm not at all saying that to sound profound).

Again, sorry about the tongue you seem to think has been cut out... *clicketty-click*... it has just been re-attached.  :grin:

Lastly, it was you who labelled me in that way; not I. 

LOL  ... The technique that I used when I replied to you was that of "tough love"... Like a friendly "charlie-horse".  I thought you could take it.

I'll choose my wording differently towards you in the future.

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    #1518384 - 05/03/03 11:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you beleive Napoleon lived?




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    #1518428 - 05/04/03 12:12 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why? Have you ever seen him?


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    #1518496 - 05/04/03 12:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ofcourse we will always be friends!

and nice reply, but you still forgot that you went AGAINST* your own words when you labeled* yourself the teacher and labeled* me the student, you still arent all knowing, now respond to that!

I'll choose my wording differently too..

Funny how no matter how you word something that it can be seen in any way shape or form..., hmm.. now maybe that also applies to the bible (meaning if seen through certain eyes it is worded wrong or is an evil book or supports evil things)

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518507 - 05/04/03 12:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, you are God. He's not hiding.


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    #1518550 - 05/04/03 01:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I've seen people before.

I believe Jesus may have existed, but I'm not sure I buy the whole messiah/Son of God story.

There's nothing unbelievable about Napoleon.

If I told you I went to Wal-Mart today, would you believe me?

If I told you I went to Wal-Mart on Neptune via a hyperspacial wormhole, and returned before I left, would you believe me?

Why not? Haven't you ever been to Wal-Mart before?


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    #1518731 - 05/04/03 03:02 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i did'nt read all the above stuff so please disregard my post if it's already been said.

The answer is very simple. God is not hiding, God is everywere in everything. People are just blind to this for whatever reason. Psychedelics can open our eyes to this fact.


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    #1518741 - 05/04/03 03:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How do you know psychedelics don't conceal God even further?


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Right, but he said 'God is in everything.' So does that mean psychedelics can affect God? Or do psychedelics amplify our perception of God?


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    #1518769 - 05/04/03 03:18 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ahh, ok. So God exists solely independant of our consciousness? Otherwise, by taking psychedelics, we'd be affecting God. Which is, of course, blasphemous.


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    #1518853 - 05/04/03 04:12 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

SWAY:"nice reply, but you still forgot that you went AGAINST* your own words when you labeled* yourself the teacher and labeled* me the student, you still arent all knowing, now respond to that!"
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I'll reply to you by quoting myself: "Lastly, it was you who labelled me in that way; not I." 

There is no reason to take that any further, SWAY.

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SWAY:"Funny how no matter how you word something that it can be seen in any way shape or form..., hmm.. now maybe that also applies to the bible..."
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Hold that thought!  You are on to something here!    :blush:

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    #1518856 - 05/04/03 04:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

God IS everything God is IN everything. I am god and You are God. This is something all of us know, even if we are not consciously aware of it. Sometimes we become awakend to this knowledge without the use of psychedelics, sometimes we do it with psychedelics, and for some people, this is never realized. When it is, it is a form of enlightenment whether it came about from psychedelics or otherwise. You can awaken yourself through other avenues, such as meditation and Zazen. The Use of Psychedelics is just a shortcut.


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Psychedelics amplify or preception of god, but i guess you could say they also affect god. like shining a lite on a plant in a dark room amplifys our preception of the plant, and also affects the plant, so it is with god.


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    #1519906 - 05/04/03 06:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so, we agree Jesus lived, now my question to you is, if someone raised themselves from the dead, would you beleive that he is special in some way?

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    #1520520 - 05/04/03 11:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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If God really wants us to believe in him...

...then why is he hiding?



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    #1520553 - 05/04/03 11:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok then, now Roman and Jewish documents (both of these groups were trying to DISPROVE Jesus? resurrection) all said that the body disappeared, some said the disciples took it, some say he wasn?t dead. But the fact is that the body wasn?t there. (On a side note, the following proofs will not be depending on the bible, but Roman and Jewish manuscripts.)

Now as for Jesus? Disciples taking it, Conscious Pilot (spelling?) was scared of Jesus, so he put Armed Roman Guards at the burial ground. And sealed it off with a 3 ton rock. Now after Jesus' Crucifixion the Disciples went into hiding, and hid from everyone, but come Sunday they were out on the streets, proclaiming as loud as they could that Jesus raised from the dead. 10 of the 11 disciples (remember Judas, the traitor hung himself) were executed in the most horrible ways. John, the only one to die of natural causes was jailed many times. But they would never deny that Jesus rose again. A Roman guard was quoted with saying "You could gag them, you could stone them, you could bring a sword to them, but you could not get them to deny that on the 3rd day he rose again." So what changed their minds? Assuming that they somehow got passed the guards and then stole the body, then they would have known it was a lie. And you would be hard pressed to find 2 people, must less 11 people that were willing to die for a lie, knowing that it was a lie. So that?s not really possible.

Ok, so lets say Jesus was never dead, The Romans carried him all the way to the tomb, without noticing that he was still alive, So Jesus then must have gotten up, after being nailed to a cross and having a sword stabbed into his ribs managed to walk over to the bolder, then by himself MOVED the 3 ton bolder, got passed the armed guards, and then reached his disciples. Even IF this could of possibly happened, a bleeding half dead Jesus would have most likely lessened the Disciples faith, not made them go and give their lives.

So these options are out, the only other one I can think of is that Jesus must have risen from the dead.

Now you might still disagree with me, so before I continue, I will let you rebuttal.


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    #1520661 - 05/05/03 12:22 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Those are some excellent points!

Pilot was definately afraid of the consequences... I believe it was written that he somehow washed his hands of Jesus' blood. Truthfully, I even think that pilot wanted to set Jesus free... It was the people who declared: " Crucify Him !!! Free (what was his name again?) Barabas ! (?)"

As for that second part... let me tell ya... Not too long ago, I got bit in the hand by an animal and it went in deep... It swelled a bit. Let me tell ya though... I lost useage of the hand for several days.

I'm thinking... that after having nail in your wrists and ankles for the whole day, it would even be crazy just to try and stand up.

...And besides... I kinda think that the Romans would have been able to distinguish a dead body from a live one... I dunno... just a thought.

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    #1520835 - 05/05/03 01:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok so, we agree Jesus lived, now my question to you is, if someone raised themselves from the dead, would you beleive that he is special in some way?




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    #1520893 - 05/05/03 01:31 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How can you be sure something doesn't exist that you can't even define?

Obviously, whatever your concept of God is does not exist.

That isn't really saying much.....


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    #1521087 - 05/05/03 03:28 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

We are all gods. We all have a spirit as do water, light.... We chose our own spirits/gods to guide us even if it is ourselves.


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    #1521957 - 05/05/03 03:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

" We are all gods. We all have a spirit as do water, light.... We chose our own spirits/gods to guide us even if it is ourselves. "

I can't explain how much i deeply agree with that......


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    #1522092 - 05/05/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Damn then I can't wait for you to raise yourself from the dead!


don't be foolish, Jesus was obviously not Joe Average, if you think so, then you are beyond hope.


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    #1522214 - 05/05/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

nobody is "joe average" for we are all different and special and a part of all that is.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1522996 - 05/05/03 09:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No one is beyond hope. But all the same, Jesus was most definitely not Joe Average either.


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    #1523042 - 05/05/03 09:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok then Jesus was ATLEAST extra special, happy?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1523062 - 05/05/03 09:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think that Jesus did personify many qualities of the Buddha. All in all, we have a long haired guy that wandered around helping people out. Jesus was a cool guy (even tho I don't belive he was the "son of god", or even really existed maybe), it's his whacky followers that give Xtianity such a bad name

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1523591 - 05/06/03 02:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

there is no such thing as "Joe Average" only those who choose to belive there is.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1523621 - 05/06/03 02:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"I think that Jesus did personify many qualities of the Buddha. All in all, we have a long haired guy that wandered around helping people out. Jesus was a cool guy (even tho I don't belive he was the "son of god", or even really existed maybe), it's his whacky followers that give Xtianity such a bad name"

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What makes you think He had long hair?

Are you generalizing by calling all followers " whacky"?

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