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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1515688 - 05/02/03 08:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Strumpling, you are the man. I totally know what you mean about religion and the need for security in this life and the afterlife (if such a thing exists).

There is far more proof that God exsist then just "I feel him"
ok, give me the proof, gimmie gimmie! I want to believe!!!!! Please list all your hard evidence with sources. Remember, we are not considering experiences/feelings/emotions like your statement specifies.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516027 - 05/02/03 11:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

...then why is he hiding?

Dude, I'm right here! Come visit me. Or you could just look in the mirrior. If that doesn't make you believe, then I suggest staring into the mirrior while on a good dose of shrooms. God exists man. It is only your perception of what God is that is fuzzy- shrooms are good at clearing that kinda thing up.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516061 - 05/02/03 11:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

all you're really doing is eliminating a certain definition of 'God' from your mind. what you're really saying is not 'God does not exist' but 'God is not...'

keep on going until you've destroyed every definition. then you will know God.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: ]
    #1516066 - 05/02/03 11:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Is this like looking at one of those "Magic eye" posters?

I'm not saying that I believe in the non-existance of God.

I just lack the ability to believe things for which I have no reason to believe except that I want to.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516072 - 05/02/03 11:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

that's good. beliefs only get in the way.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: ]
    #1516132 - 05/02/03 11:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

it is possible that god exists. it is possible that flying hippopotami exist. it is possible for a creature with sufficient mental processes to invent an idea which grants reason and explanation to a life which the creature finds unreasonable and unexplainable. it is possible that this idea grants such comfort and meaning upon the creature's life that he feels he should share this concept with his peers for the peers' benefit.

it is possible that some of the creatures with sufficient mental processes find no need or reason for this idea. currently, i am one of those creatures.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: ninjahedge]
    #1516184 - 05/03/03 12:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1517447 - 05/03/03 01:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What about Jesus? our entire calander is based on him, he must have done SOMETHING...


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: SWAY]
    #1517683 - 05/03/03 03:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

SWAY: "What if you never learned or heard of god growing up or in your life?"
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To this query I would say: " GREAT! - Now you have an unbiased opinion! Go explore and see what you find! "

It is the very labels used to name, that build barriers and blind vision.
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SWAY: " Theres a leprachaun hiding in my room right now, and how do i know this? I feel his presence in my life and his amazing powers in everything, ...hmmmm..... maybe if i write a book about this 'leprachaun' who is our reason for existence and the reason for everything, and properly word the book so it can be seen and understood in infinite ways so that it can justify anything and make people believe less in themselves and more in somebody that they haven't met yet and believe they owe him a big THANKYOU for letting them exist, hmm maybe it could be the biggest best seller book in history?"
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If you wrote such a book -one that made people believe less in themselves- that would mean one thing:  You have been blinded and are afraid to open your ears. A book such as that has little or no value.

If you really want to write something worthy of history, then why not write a book that helps people to BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES!
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SWAY: "BUT A LEPRACHAUN?! We all know thats so untrue.. ...right? DO YOU think this is untrue?

If you just thought that the leprachaun idea was untrue then you don't believe in god..."
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In my mind, that statement is invalid.  It's like saying: " If you are not CHRISTIAN, then you are going to HELL! "

The goal is not so much as what you believe in, as it is, in terms of the things you do while you are here.

The way you talk makes it obvious that you still have much to learn and consider.

... May I suggest taking baby steps, being consistent ( slow & steady wins the race ) & do your best to simply take the facts as they present themselves... If you don't, you will use a biased eye when seeing, thereby maybe even, be cheating yourself, unknowingly.

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: SWAY]
    #1517685 - 05/03/03 03:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

By the way...  Nice AVATAR!    :wink: 


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1517801 - 05/03/03 05:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The days of the week are named after Norse gods.

Months are named after Roman gods and emperors.

Planets are named after pagan gods as well.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1517882 - 05/03/03 06:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If could only show himself openly ONE fucking time than I'm sure that the world would have become a much better place.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518088 - 05/03/03 08:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

but AD and BC are split based on his birth (Even if it is 4 years off)


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1518208 - 05/03/03 09:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Who uses that calendar?

I know the Asians don't, but what about Jews and Arabs?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518217 - 05/03/03 09:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You are looking in the wrong places for "God" learn what is inside the box before looking outside the box. All the information you need to see/know god is here, there, and everywhere right now.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: You_are_God]
    #1518263 - 05/03/03 10:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Right. Like the leprechauns.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518269 - 05/03/03 10:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The Entire U.S. and most of Europe.

He obviously had more influence then anyone else that ever lived, my question to you is, why? if he was just ordinary joe schmuck, who claimed to be the Savior (a lot of people claimed that back then, and even now) how come he, out of ALL thoes people, effected and still effects society today? and how can the bible, predict, the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Returning of the Jews to their homeland, among other things.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1518272 - 05/03/03 10:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oh and lets not forget, there are over 2000 manuscripts that confirm the writtings in the bible, things you are taught in history class as facts can have as little as 2.


EDIT: Also, let me ask you this, Do you beleive Napoleon lived?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1518307 - 05/03/03 10:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I find God in the dock to be an amusing concept.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1518310 - 05/03/03 10:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Deimiyan...

"It is the very labels used to name, that build barriers and blind vision."
-it would take me a paragraph to say that, and you said it in one sentence!!

"If you wrote such a book -one that made people believe less in themselves- that would mean one thing: You have been blinded and are afraid to open your ears. A book such as that has little or no value. "
-You just indirectly insulted the Author/Creator of the bible, which i'd suppose would be god.. right? Nice job insulting god lol j/k, but you can restore your faith if you get on your hands and knees and pray your ass off right now, ...now wouldn't that be 'believing more in yourself' ? ..No it wouldnt be, it would be believing more in god than in yourself (from the way i see it anyway), mainstream christians do it constantly (not that i have any problem with it, especially if it helps them)

If you think thats believing more in yourself then why are you doing all this for god? Is god yourself? I'd hope you'd see it as yourself in a way and not another person or being really cuz if you see it as another person or something then that is believing more in them

"The way you talk makes it obvious that you still have much to learn and consider."

"... May I suggest taking baby steps, being consistent ( slow & steady wins the race ) & do your best to simply take the facts as they present themselves... If you don't, you will use a biased eye when seeing, thereby maybe even, be cheating yourself, unknowingly."
-NIcely said, and pretty true id say..., but i am doing it and im just arguing based on the experiences ive had so far and by doing so im learning by reading other people's arguments too

Plus i should say, not to mean any offense, but i think when you say that that it.. seems like you think your all knowing or am my teacher or something, which is fine with me.. but.. you automaticaly seem to assume that you know far more than me by the way you say that, which i dont doubt that you might, but saying it like that makes you seem kinda all knowing

So ...May i suggest to you to take baby steps in becoming more consciously confident outloud, and to do your best to take the simple facts -- like the fact that you are being biased no matter what you do, and you might be cheating yourself right now for cutting my tongue out before i talk anymore

You said labels are bad.. and that they build barriers and blind vision, ..well it seems to me that you just labeled yourself superior over me and labeled yourself the teacher and me the child learner, ..if your going to use such great words that i admire.. and then designate yourself to be my teacher then you should work on living up to your words better

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