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First timer...about 3 weeks in now...
    #15131473 - 09/25/11 10:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

First grow...I'm still waiting on pinning...Cakes have not shown pinning yet, but it is only day 5. Im curious about everyones opinions on if this is looking right or not? Thanks for reading and any comments...




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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15133926 - 09/25/11 07:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

24 views...nobody has a yes or no for me??

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15133958 - 09/25/11 07:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Looks pretty healthy to me. I don't see any FAE holes in your tub though.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: scifipirate]
    #15133960 - 09/25/11 07:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I just realized your pumping air in.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: scifipirate]
    #15133975 - 09/25/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

got that fa shooooo.....two air stones ran under the hydroton and perlite. I still open the chamber about 3 times a day for misting and air exchange. I'm hoping this method is sufficient.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15133981 - 09/25/11 07:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds ok to me, a lot of people don't like PMPs but I say FUCK IT, I LIKE 'EM:minigun:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: scifipirate]
    #15134002 - 09/25/11 07:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I kinda lied...I had a shotgun set up and the first cake I dropped in got attacked by the green meanie within 24-48 hours and there was also an issue with moisture loss...this was a quick emergency cet up that I had immediate positive results so I will be doing a much larger scale set up soon to come.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134010 - 09/25/11 07:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck my new droog

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: scifipirate]
    #15134055 - 09/25/11 07:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

all i know is that your casing is colonizing - not a great thing especially if all of your casing is colonized

purpose of casing is to provide moisture and provide a micro climate - if fully colonized then it cant serve it's purpose and then pinning becomes difficult

now,how to remedy it? i don't know...i can't find the answer and have done tons of search queries...my casing is colonizing as well and i don't know what to do

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15134074 - 09/25/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I waited for my jars to completely colonize I thought...then I dunked and rolled and placed them in the FC. I assumed they were already colonized once the myc had completely consumed all the brf and verm in the jar...help me out here, i'm all ears...

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134079 - 09/25/11 07:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yes it colonized but then colonized your casing

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15134085 - 09/25/11 07:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i just found this quote from RR

If you're casing, you WANT the mycelium to colonize up to 2/3 of the casing layer.  The mycelium that colonizes the casing layer carries moisture from the casing down and into the substrate.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134088 - 09/25/11 07:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

PilsburhyDROboy said:
I waited for my jars to completely colonize I thought...then I dunked and rolled and placed them in the FC. I assumed they were already colonized once the myc had completely consumed all the brf and verm in the jar...help me out here, i'm all ears...




Gotta give 'em a week of consolidation after they are 100% colonized.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: scifipirate]
    #15134105 - 09/25/11 08:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

shit shit shit...is this going to f*&^ me when it comes to my cakes pinning? I did let them set about 3 days. I didn't know it took a full week. I have been flooding my brain reading posts on the board. i must have just neglected this step. :/

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15134111 - 09/25/11 08:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

JaffyJaffar said:
i just found this quote from RR

If you're casing, you WANT the mycelium to colonize up to 2/3 of the casing layer.  The mycelium that colonizes the casing layer carries moisture from the casing down and into the substrate.



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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15134123 - 09/25/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Jaffy, are you saying that my cakes should be ok then? I'm an idiot unless you give me a straight answer hahaha

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134137 - 09/25/11 08:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They should be fine.

EDIT:
The one on the left is nearing 100% colonization. Try adding holes in your FC to allow more FAE. Your co2 levels could be to high causing the mycelium to colonize the casing layer
*Dont take my word for this. Do a little research but I would recommend more FAE then just a pump.

Edited by PureHash (09/25/11 08:14 PM)

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PureHash]
    #15134147 - 09/25/11 08:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:grin:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134205 - 09/25/11 08:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I just read that a couple 1 inch polyfil holes should do just fine in helping me out with FAE...project will be completed tomorrow afternoon once I get off work. Thanks again guys/girls!

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134236 - 09/25/11 08:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah you want 66% of your casing colonized

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15134302 - 09/25/11 08:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



Fucking sweeeeeet

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15134581 - 09/25/11 10:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i found this in the rr notes page

*Overlay is the condition that results when mycelium has been allowed to completely cover the casing surface. It is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels, and excessive humidity. If overwatered, the overlay will become matted, or, will form a dense, dead layer of cells on the casing surface. OVERLAY CASING


so...dont let your myc to completely cover the casing ...mist less, fan more

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15135033 - 09/26/11 12:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Awesome, the polyfil holes are a must then. I'll def back off on the misting. This was a huge help!

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15135940 - 09/26/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

66% lol where in the hell did you get that number hahaha


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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PureHash]
    #15135970 - 09/26/11 09:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

From the previous rr quote I posted saying if youre using a casing then you want 2/3 of it colonized

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15137733 - 09/26/11 04:52 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The math is correct

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15137802 - 09/26/11 05:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What I usually do that has worked beautifully for me is waiting until I see the first pin before I birth my jars. 
Yesterday afternoon I saw two tiny pins after dunking, and today in the FC are about 10 fat healthy pins, two are already over an inch (they were barely visible last night) and the others are 1/4"-1/2".

Let us know how yours shape up after you get a couple of holes in your FC.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: Kumara]
    #15139131 - 09/26/11 09:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So I got two holes drilled in my lid now and as I was putting the lid back on the tub, guess what caught my eye!!! :shocked::shocked::shocked: A little guy starting to sneak his way out of the right cake. I'll have some pics up tomorrow once it gets a little more length to it...the little guy is a few centimeters maybe but this is great news to me!!

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15139809 - 09/27/11 12:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think they are looking good, and yeah what Jaffy said sounds right on to me. Can't wait for those pics of the pins! :popcorn:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: TheMackologist]
    #15140015 - 09/27/11 01:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, you dont "have" to wait "exactly" a week after colonization. like the other guy said, alot of times small pins will start to form inside the jar. letting you know its time to birth... but birthing early will do no harm , the cakes will just take that time in the terrarium before they do their thing. i used to let my jars colonize on top of a dresser with indirect sunlight hitting them all day long...however on this current grow im gonna let them colonize in the dark. i think the light encourages pins to form early (while still inside the jar) and i dont really like that because then those pins grow into huge shrooms rather than me getting a good pinset. but hey, thats what ive learned from experience.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: gnostic-warrior]
    #15141025 - 09/27/11 09:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)




Good start to my morning :thumbup:

There are actually 5 or 6 more pins that the camera is not able to show :grin:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15142661 - 09/27/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:cool:Still more pinning occuring:cool:

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    #15142727 - 09/27/11 04:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Check you out, good job:oogieboogie:

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    #15142764 - 09/27/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Cake on the left finaly came around today and decided to start producing...this is too exciting...

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15142859 - 09/27/11 04:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You got the bug now  :mushroom2:

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    #15142888 - 09/27/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm excited about the 20 that are finishing up colonization :tongue: I went ahead and DID IT haha...I read and read and read for about 3-4 months before giving it a go. I appreciate all the love and encouragment! It's been a fun and strange trip already :mushroom2:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15142927 - 09/27/11 04:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I'm excited about the 20 that are finishing up colonization :tongue: I went ahead and DID IT haha...I read and read and read for about 3-4 months before giving it a go. I appreciate all the love and encouragment! It's been a fun and strange trip already :mushroom2:



congrats man, I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor. Literally.

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    #15146143 - 09/28/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Update!!








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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15146154 - 09/28/11 08:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

pics look good, the cakes look like they have some pretty big drops of water on them though I would either mist less or fan more after the mist


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    #15146176 - 09/28/11 09:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

awesome, just fanned it down to minimal drops. Thanks for the help MOPE :thumbup:

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    #15146218 - 09/28/11 09:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:awethumb: looking good man!

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    #15146234 - 09/28/11 09:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Add some more FAE, they love it :thumbup:


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    #15146311 - 09/28/11 09:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Would it be beneficial to lay another airstone above the perlite? I fan about 3-4 times a day but I could bump that up to 7-10 a day. Would drilling another hole or two in the lid be a good idea? The airstones that are submerged are 6" each individually running to a 40 gal. air pump.


You guys are awesome with this feedback!

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    #15146897 - 09/28/11 12:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This is going to be my new pmp FC I use when I birth my jars that are finishing up right now...should hold about 15-20 cakes!!


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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15146953 - 09/28/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's a lot of bubblestones, even with those holes in the top I would think that it would drench the tub.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: scifipirate]
    #15146961 - 09/28/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What's gonna be between the cakes and the water, hydroton and perlite?

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    #15146966 - 09/28/11 12:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What are you stating/suggesting? I'm all ears...I assumed the more air i was pumping in the more FAE I was providing...any help is appreciated :grin:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15146972 - 09/28/11 12:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes a layer of hydroton to cover the air stones, then another 2-3 inches of perlite. This set up is working well in my smaller version I am using.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15147062 - 09/28/11 01:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I forgot about the expanded clay and perlite when I saw your pic of the tub with out it.

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    #15147066 - 09/28/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right on, I hope it performs just as well as the mini-version

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    #15147502 - 09/28/11 02:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

just a question...why didnt u just make a sgfc? u wouldnt need those pumps

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    #15147521 - 09/28/11 02:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

My first cake I birthed, I had it in a sgfc and it quickly became contaminated so to save time I just built a pmp to get these two cakes up and running. The sgfc dried up way to quickly for my liking but I may give it another go one of these days...

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    #15147541 - 09/28/11 02:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

what are those pumps anyways, what are they called? where did u get them? they look cool...im not knocking ur setup just wondered why ur not using a sgfc...i use one and keep 5 inches of perlite plus i keep a humidifier on in the room with it...works fine

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: gnostic-warrior]
    #15147688 - 09/28/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

40 gal fish pumps from walmart then I used two 12" air stones and two 14" air stones. Each pump has two nozzles to connect hoses to them so I can run 4 stones all together or even get a couple splitters and run up to 8 air stones. I was feeling a little creative on this one so I hope it all works out well. I still fan my fc throughout the day and have cut back to misting only once, maybe twice a day. Wish me luck!! :tongue:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15148241 - 09/28/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Casing? There is no casing, since this is a PF cake. Help me if I've misunderstood your comments, Jaf, but they seem to be irrelavent to this situation.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: mono]
    #15148513 - 09/28/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If you rolled your cakes in dry verm then the dry verm is the casing

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15150262 - 09/28/11 10:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

indeed I did...

bad news...cake on the left when I got home from work tonight was showing signs of mold so I went ahead and tossed it. It was not fruiting nearly as well as the cake on the right. here is a pic of whatI found...


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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15152781 - 09/29/11 12:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i cant really tell from that pic what would be mold or what would be verm or shadows...one thing ive noticed about ur grow is it seems like u have alot of moisture in that FC.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: gnostic-warrior]
    #15152838 - 09/29/11 01:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Well I'm a total noob, first grow, but I have cottony myc like that thin stuff you have on the bottom of my cakes and the blueish parts look like bruising to me. Which makes sense because those drops of water are big. I would not toss it just yet, wait for a Trusted Cultivator. You might be able to salvage it if you tossed it in the trash, if there's nothing funky growing in there...but wait til you get better advice.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15152912 - 09/29/11 01:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Build a proper shotgun fruiting chamber. That means: 9mm holes every 2 inches on all 6 sides of the plastic tub. That covers your fresh air.
Use 2 inches of wet perlite. That covers your humidity for the entire fruiting stage. If your holes are drilled correctly, you shouldn't have to mist or fan.
Last, but maybe most importantly: be patient! I've had cakes that only started pinning after 10 to 14 days. This is nature, not a machine. You can't force it to fruit.

As for your conditions right now: your cakes look way to wet in my opinion. Never mist directly on your cakes. The excessive mycelium growth probably indicates that your CO2 levels inside the tank are too high. I found that fanning more often, or using a proper fruiting chamber, solved this problem.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15152936 - 09/29/11 01:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Also, thanks for the high quality photo. That makes it easier to identify the problem.
What I spotted as well is some primordia forming. I think you can expect some more pinheads in a couple of days.


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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: MushroomPalace]
    #15152938 - 09/29/11 01:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Very much appreciated! I've got the shotgun fc set up and doing its thing. I have been fanning pretty regularly to try and help my cake out. I'm glad I did a small trial run first. I am soaking up all this info you all have been giving me! :thumbup: In a week or two I will have a larger scale grow ready to birth and fruit. Those guys are going to be pampered and well maintained thanks to these poor little guy suffering hahaha. :tongue:

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15153060 - 09/29/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

mushroom palace...its 5 inches of wet perlite

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: gnostic-warrior]
    #15156475 - 09/30/11 02:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Keep up the good work! other than the moisture which was addressed I see nothing bad at all.

Cheers! :beer:


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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: TheMackologist]
    #15159462 - 09/30/11 06:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

FAE seems to be helping alot...opinions???






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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15159690 - 09/30/11 07:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Pins at the top and bottom :super:


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    #15159713 - 09/30/11 07:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Should I be concerned with how dark the top of that one larger one is? Ive read about dark tops indicate aborted pins...(newb question)

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15159886 - 09/30/11 08:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Should I be concerned with how dark the top of that one larger one is? Ive read about dark tops indicate aborted pins...(newb question)



Naw man almost all my pins were that dark. When they say dark caps on aborts I believe they mean black.

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: The Influence]
    #15159892 - 09/30/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

awesome, good news to me!

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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: PilsburhyDROboy]
    #15173900 - 10/03/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

WOW! Lookin great!!!
Cheers! :beer:


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Re: First timer...5th day in FC... [Re: TheMackologist]
    #15184159 - 10/05/11 10:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Working on the 2nd flush now! There are 4-5 good boomers climbing out! I also just put a Brazilian and GT along with another EQ inside the sgfc with the cake that I go tthe 1st flush out of. I have my fingers crossed for a good fruiting! I'll update pics once there are some worthy :mushroom2:

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