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SlapMaBallz
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1st Grow, Need Some Advice
#15127703 - 09/24/11 01:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi, I'm starting my first ever shroom grow and was wondering if you guys would be able to offer some constructive criticism and ideas on how to improve my current idea. Firstly, I will be doing this as a stealth grow so please keep that in mind. Secondly, I'm doing this step by step and getting various things ready as I need them. So far I have made an incubator out of a big Rubbermaid box with a smaller one I have cut to fit directly inside. I have filled the bigger one with water, put 4 cans to support the smaller bin and have a aquarium heater in the water. I don't think the heater works though so I will be picking up a new one soon. Is there a specif brand I should get or do they all work the same? That's all I have for right now. I ordered my syringes last Monday or Tuesday and was hoping to get them by Friday, but hopefully they'll arrive on Monday and I can start. I ordered one syringe of Golden Teacher and one of Cambodian and plan to have 10 jars of each. I plan on having them in the larger 500ml wide mouth jars, using the PF Tek cake but adding a Vermiculite reservoir in the middle. If you guys can offer any tips or suggestions it'll be greatly appreciated. Also, what type of fruiting chamber would you recommend. I was thinking of using the shotgun one. Here are some Pics of what I have so far:



Edited by SlapMaBallz (09/25/11 07:31 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: SlapMaBallz]
#15127829 - 09/24/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ditch the incubator. Save your cash & don't buy the heater. Colonizing mycelium benefits from indirect light.
If it has to be stealth, then just leave the jars in your closet. Also, I don't recommend growing w/ roommates or in your parents house.
Convert that tub you already have for the incubator into a mono or just use it for storage.
Use the 1/2 pint WM jars. The larger jars will probably stall on you.
Also, you may want to start thinking of constructing your SGFC in the next couple of weeks.
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SlapMaBallz
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I forgot to mention that it gets really cold in my basement where I have to keep them, usually on between 62-68 degree if that makes any difference about the incubator. And it does have to be stealth, but I can expose them to indirect sunlight for however long I need to during the afternoon.
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TranscendingLife said: Ditch the incubator. Save your cash & don't buy the heater. Colonizing mycelium benefits from indirect light.
If it has to be stealth, then just leave the jars in your closet. Also, I don't recommend growing w/ roommates or in your parents house.
Convert that tub you already have for the incubator into a mono or just use it for storage.
Use the 1/2 pint WM jars. The larger jars will probably stall on you.
Also, you may want to start thinking of constructing your SGFC in the next couple of weeks.
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice *DELETED* [Re: amungus]
#15129183 - 09/24/11 07:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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TranscendingLife said: Ditch the incubator. Save your cash & don't buy the heater. Colonizing mycelium benefits from indirect light.
If it has to be stealth, then just leave the jars in your closet. Also, I don't recommend growing w/ roommates or in your parents house.
Convert that tub you already have for the incubator into a mono or just use it for storage.
Use the 1/2 pint WM jars. The larger jars will probably stall on you.
Also, you may want to start thinking of constructing your SGFC in the next couple of weeks.
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SlapMaBallz
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: flameclown]
#15129260 - 09/24/11 08:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright so I'll ditch the incubator. How should I keep the jars warm though? Or does temperature not matter, although Ive read several threads that say cold brings on fruiting, or at least slows mycelium growth.
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: SlapMaBallz]
#15129322 - 09/24/11 08:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't mention vendors in your posts (see the forum rules) especially not that one. 
THE JARS DON'T NEED TO BE KEPT WARM UNLESS YOU LIVE IN AN UNHEATED HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER. Ok?
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15129330 - 09/24/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ditch the incubator and the vendor... you will never find a more wretched hive of scum a villainy. Incubate at room temperature.
Edited by Gotlib (09/24/11 10:05 PM)
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: Gotlib]
#15129551 - 09/24/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, remove THAT vendors name!!!
Dont ever say your growing cubes from any vendor....
Dump THAT vendor, they have crap!!! I received several old, non-viable or contaminated syringes from them before I learned my lesson!
I just bought 2 syringes for my microscopy viewing from one of our vendors here and they both are marvelous!!!!! not only that, but they are very heavy with spores, lots and lots of clumps in those syringes, I am VERY happy with my purchase and will use them again!!!
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: Big Pappa]
#15129622 - 09/24/11 09:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should use half pint jars instead.
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I love my PmP fruiting chamber. Depends how tight money is though. It's less of a hassle than a sgfc.
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PmP fruiting chamber is quite different than an incubation chamber.
Incubation chambers are for colonizing, NOT fruiting.
62-68F is fine for colonizing mushrooms. They'll just colonize a bit slower.
PS. C. do not need a cold shock or temperature difference to fruit.
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SlapMaBallz
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Okay so I've decided that I'm going to pick up 12 half pint jars, and colonize 6 of those with GT and 6 with Cambodian.
I'll do 4 of the pint jars with GT and 4 with Cambodian, just to experiment.
I've decide to keep the jars in a small cabinet, but I think I'll about 4 in the incubator just to see what happens.
Does FAE or humidity matter when colonizing because I read it doesn't but everything I read seems to be wrong 
As for the syringes I again read that that vendor was very good, but I guess not.
I will order more soon, but I think I'll at least try what I ordered, unless it really doesn't look good.
Thanks to everyone helping me out so far
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: SlapMaBallz]
#15131789 - 09/25/11 11:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does FAE or humidity matter when colonizing because I read it doesn't but everything I read seems to be wrong 
Yes - you don't need to bother with either if only providing GE (like through a small patch or two of micropore tape. I do this with a couple 5/8" holes on either end of 6-qt sterilite minitubs (wanders off to the pics to find one) like this here:
get the idea anyway 
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15131925 - 09/25/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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During Colonization of the BRF, you want Gas Exchange through your 4 1/4" holes.
The Dry Verm layer is your contam barrier.
During fruiting, you want FAE & Humidity between 85-99%.
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I assume your talking about the holes in the top of the lid of the jar? And just to make sure I DO NOT need to worry abut humidity when colonizing, correct?
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: SlapMaBallz]
#15134190 - 09/25/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humidity levels are not to be worried about unless you made your BRF mix to dry.
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Re: 1st Grow, Need Some Advice [Re: PureHash]
#15134705 - 09/25/11 10:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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SlapMaBallz said: I assume your talking about the holes in the top of the lid of the jar? And just to make sure I DO NOT need to worry abut humidity when colonizing, correct?
yes, those holes are for GE. No, no worries on humidity during colonization.
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PureHash said: Humidity levels are not to be worried about unless you made your BRF mix to dry.
 Field capacity is used for BRF. How can they be too dry?
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If anyone's interested in what I've been doing this week, on Tuesday I placed an order from a shroomery sponsor for another syringe cause I still haven't received my first order then.
On Wednesday I received my original order, with a bonus syringe I inoculated 4 Large Jars that night with the Cambodians. I put 2 in the incubator and 2 in my cupboard. I also sterilized 2 LC jars, 6 small jars and 2 more large jars.
Thursdays morning, after letting the jars cool overnight, I inoculated one LC with Cambodian and the other with Golden Teacher. I put those both in the cupboard, and knocked up half the other jars with Golden Teacher and the rest with the free B+ strain I received. I put the 2 large jars in the Cupboard along with 4 of the small jars, and the last 2 went in the incubator.
Friday I put together a automatic stirrer thing for the LC using spare parts I had around. It works very well, I can get a mini twister in there if I place the LC just right. It actually works so good that on Saturday I went upstairs for a minute to get a drink and when I came back the metal stir had flown out the jar, breaking the glass and getting the LC everywhere 
As of Sunday. I have seen no mycelium development anywhere, but some of the jars of some to be turning a bit brown where I knocked them up I'm hoping its not contamination, and will continue to let them grow and see what happens.
I noticed some dark bits in my remaining LC and am not sure what it is/how it got there. Could it just be the spores? Also, 2 or 3 of the smaller jars are very, very damp after sterilization, and I thought that it might help them grow, but I just read today that moisture will increase the chance of contamination, what should I do with those? I also noticed some rust on some of the jar lids, should I be worried about this?
Will add pics when camera finishes charging
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