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September Cyans
    #15119972 - 09/22/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Started a pot of cyan's last season, using the butts, debris, collected spore and discarded picks of last season from all over northern ca. I combined them as I got them into a terracotta pot full of wood chips, alder shavings, and a base of perlite/soil mix. I kept a dish full of rocks and shells underneath the pot & regularly filled it with well water. I also had another water basin with a potted plant submerged in it, stored on top like a cooling lid.

Here it is September and the babies are birthing.

Thought I would share some pics, enjoy!

These pics span 7 days.

















Vacated a slug nest that I found!







here's a shot with a new lid on the pot, to allow room for them to grow!




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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15120181 - 09/22/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mushrooms growing in a mushroom...Nice!!!!


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15120188 - 09/22/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: September Cyans [Re: BCurt420]
    #15120206 - 09/22/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh man, oh man...  Am I delightfully envious of you right now :smile: much congrats! :thumbup:


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Re: September Cyans [Re: BCurt420]
    #15120282 - 09/22/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great idea. Im going to have to try this next year.

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Mikeallojee]
    #15120529 - 09/22/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Those are beautiful!

I am in Ca too.  How far north are you (generally speaking ;0)

Thanks for sharing,

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Javadog]
    #15120681 - 09/23/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck yesss to the epicnesss!!

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15121100 - 09/23/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

WOOT, very nice! Me hungry now

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Re: September Cyans [Re: cH4inR34cT10n]
    #15121179 - 09/23/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The fuzzy stuff around the bases is from too high of humidity constantly and lack of FAE. This issue could also effect the size of your fruits. It would be hard to increase the FAE in this setup without ruining the humidity, I personally would use large leaf litter next time to make for like a micro climate on the surface where the humidity will be high but the loose leaves will allow enough FAE. 1 layer of leaf litter will be light enough that you will be able to tell when they start pushing the leafs up. Very nice grow. I am sure it is a lot of experience this project.

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15121289 - 09/23/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great Job!:thumbup:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: keeno]
    #15121444 - 09/23/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nice work! You must be buzzing already.

It's way too warm to do that where i am. I've done some cubes outdoors here in pots, and i'm still trying to find that balance between fae and humidity. It will be interesting to see how this turns out for you :thumbup:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Weller]
    #15121499 - 09/23/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hi all, I like what you have growing there, I have a few flushes of cubes, but can anyone please explain to me the difference between azures, cyan's, Mexicanas and any others? I am a first time grower, but frequent eater :laugh: Is it potency? How are the trips? More cleaner? More visual? Spiritual?


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Re: September Cyans [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
    #15122082 - 09/23/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The fuzzy stuff around the bases is from too high of humidity constantly and lack of FAE. This issue could also effect the size of your fruits. It would be hard to increase the FAE in this setup without ruining the humidity, I personally would use large leaf litter next time to make for like a micro climate on the surface where the humidity will be high but the loose leaves will allow enough FAE. 1 layer of leaf litter will be light enough that you will be able to tell when they start pushing the leafs up. Very nice grow. I am sure it is a lot of experience this project.





Is that air to the surface & airspace? or FAE in the substrate specifically?
I lift the lid about twice daily, and it has a drain hole in the top, though it is a relatively small hole. I could definitely see the possibility of the substrate developing anaerobic qualities over the summer, as I kept the water dish full most the time. However there were times, especially during spring, that I let the dish dry out & the substrate drain for a week. This is also when I would turn the mix lightly, about half way down. I usually just go by smell, it does not smell anaerobic and its nice & earthy!

This all started during last season unintentionally. After cleaning my finds I would collect any bits, pieces, butts, chip fragments, dropped spore and the discarded paper bags I carried them in, then line and layer my chip bags that I am currently colonizing for my garden. I had so much debris that I just started putting everything in this partially empty flower pot outside my door on my balcony. It filled up fast. Some time in January during a trip further north I found a fallen coastal alder, that had been freshly cut to remove limbs from the road. I collected a bag of the saw dust in a reused pick-bag. A few weeks went by, I had actually forgotten about the saw dust. Sometime in February I came across the bag and added the dust to the pot. I decided to cover it up once I noticed it was actually taking off, I had no goal really with this other than to get rid of excess debris. It got covered in April and about a month ago, when I noticed the primorida developing, I switched the cover to this upside-down pot to allow room for them to grow. This week I have been soaking the 'lid', concerned because we have had a few days of high 90's with no fog at all. We normally have a very foggy summer, I live in a coastal fog channel, my nook has a micro climate with 3 hardiness zones, from top to bottom. So its always interesting :grin:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15122086 - 09/23/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:wowz:
I'm really hoping on finding some this year! :laugh:


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15122088 - 09/23/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh what a wonderful time a year. :billymaythumbup:


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15122091 - 09/23/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh, and so far as my chip bags go, I have to say that the azures are far out doing the cyans.. but both seem to be thriving! Putting the chips out this fall.


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15122145 - 09/23/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Given there was a very good chance of lots of contamination, I have to say they are quite hardy & voracious. & to be more specific, this is technically a mix of p. cyanescens & p. cyanofriscosa debris. My main worry is the persistant slug population I have here, been knocking them back since they started eating my bulbs last spring. I have a resident spider guarding them!:tongue: But I doubt hes finding much he likes in there.


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15122214 - 09/23/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Given there was a very good chance of lots of contamination, I have to say they are quite hardy & voracious. & to be more specific, this is technically a mix of p. cyanescens & p. cyanofriscosa debris. My main worry is the persistant slug population I have here, been knocking them back since they started eating my bulbs last spring. I have a resident spider guarding them!:tongue: But I doubt hes finding much he likes in there.





here's a tip that might help with the slugs.

make a table/ plinth for the pot to stand on, with the legs being long nails (I think mine were 5") hammered through the wood in each corner.
get some copper tubing (I found mine in skips around here, look for building work, loads of odds and ends get thrown away, or ask in a building supplies place)
cut the tubing so it fits around the nails and creates a sleeve for them, and legs for the table (they don't have to be as long as the nails, but the longer they are, the better)
get some wire wool and make sure the copper is as clean as possible, and the slugs won't touch your pots, they hate clean copper.

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Re: September Cyans [Re: keeno]
    #15122227 - 09/23/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ah just realised that the slugs might already be in your pots...
this tek will stop any new ones slithering into your pot from the rest of your garden :smile:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: keeno]
    #15122255 - 09/23/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thats a good idea! I have considered using diatomaceous earth and filling the water dish with it and maybe sand to help hold it in. Not sure if putting it in or on the substrate would cause any harm or not. Never looked into it for this reason. . . For now ive just encircled the dish with slugo pellets on the table.. The issue im running into now are the nests that were left behind. I have vacated 2 nests, and about 20 hatched micro slugs. Didn't see any the past 2 days, I think I finally nipped them!


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    #15122709 - 09/23/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Fungus_monk]
    #15122830 - 09/23/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:::Reminiscing::: :grin::mushroom2:

Here's a picture from last season... some of these might have even contributed to that pot.



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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15126134 - 09/24/11 04:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Didn't see any the past 2 days, I think I finally nipped them!




awesome stuff!!!
they're pretty cool creatures, but I fucking hate them when they eat my flowers and veggies :smile:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: keeno]
    #15127007 - 09/24/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree! the slugs have been devastating to my kale, green cabbage and brussel sprouts the last 2 years.. but i have to say, i love the spotted banana slugs, so awesome.. so devastating.


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    #15127750 - 09/24/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:::Reminiscing::: :grin::mushroom2:

Here's a picture from last season... some of these might have even contributed to that pot.






That's a beautiful sight. I love Mother Nature

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Weller]
    #15127996 - 09/24/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #15128111 - 09/24/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Given there was a very good chance of lots of contamination, I have to say they are quite hardy & voracious. & to be more specific, this is technically a mix of p. cyanescens & p. cyanofriscosa debris. My main worry is the persistant slug population I have here, been knocking them back since they started eating my bulbs last spring. I have a resident spider guarding them!:tongue: But I doubt hes finding much he likes in there.




All of your primordia and fruitbodies look to be P. "cyanofriscosa" which is a more robust species than P. cyanescens, it has most likely won the battle between the two and you won't see any P. cyanescens.

The bluing veil in very young specimens is a distinct taxonomic characteristic of P. "cyanofriscosa".


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    #15128311 - 09/24/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's what I have been thinking, never read up on the difference, didn't even know friscosa was official until I finally got back on here last week.. I just remember noticing obvious differences in many of the mature specimens I have collected the past few years. No wavy cap, usually much more bluing, almost completely indigo sometimes,  thicker/stronger stems and hefty caps.. My experience too is that cyanofriscosa's stems seem to be extremely stout, which these are very much so.. Then a friend of mine told me that someone was researching them and decided it was a new strain, but that it hadn't been acknowledged officially yet. That was 2 years ago.

Survival of the fittest! Most of the debris that went in there were cyanescens, about a 10 to 1 ratio. The frisco strain must be very hardy, to out-compete at that ratio! I did alot of spore spreading through out the bay area last year.. this year should be interesting! Makes me wonder if that is all you will see around the bay over the next few years. Seeing more and more of them.

But I have never seen any friscosa's as big as these cyanescens I found last year, found them outside my motel room, happy surprise!



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    #15128400 - 09/24/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's not a described species yet hence the quotation marks, I suspect it will be found to be a substrain of P. subaeruginosa which is a wood loving species from Australia and New Zealand, I know that some people plan to publish it as a new species and use the species epithet P. turpis (turpis meaning "ugly"), a comparison of the DNA sequences is needed to confirm it is a separate species.
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Re: September Cyans [Re: inski]
    #15128426 - 09/24/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Those blue rings around the caps in the first set of pics :mushroom2: God, I want to move to the PNW.

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"Those blue rings around the caps in the first set of pics :mushroom2: God"

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Javadog]
    #15129372 - 09/24/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Regarding slugs:  your setup is already good to go to stop future slugs...  Just add the cheapest beer you can find to the water-catch tray on the bottom :smile:

You could also simple wrap copper wire around the pot, spiraling up/down the height of it...




A note about terra cotta:  it will suck moisture from your substrate...  Especial if there are winds and/or low humidity...  Just an FYI.


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    #15130016 - 09/24/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great stuff! :thumbup:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15147446 - 09/28/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Now 2 weeks from the first photo, luckily the dry heat hasn't been too hard on them!






sadly noon is not the best time of day for taking photos, will get some better ones soon!


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    #15147466 - 09/28/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had some copper wire sitting around and went ahead and tried wrapping it around the pot, and I have to say, so far I haven't seen a single slug invade the pot yet, good shit! thanks for the good info!


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15149111 - 09/28/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I had some copper wire sitting around and went ahead and tried wrapping it around the pot, and I have to say, so far I haven't seen a single slug invade the pot yet, good shit! thanks for the good info!




ah my pleasure mate! they're such pretty little mushrooms, it'd be a bloody shame if some greedy slug got to them :smile:
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    #15149185 - 09/28/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cant wait!! The weather is suppose to start shifting tonight, cooling back down this weekend, with a few days of rain possibly.. Finally getting into the season!


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15149338 - 09/28/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Over the past week I have been taking the lid off in the mornings and evenings, to give them more air. However with the dry heat and fog staying off-shore, im reluctant to do much more that that.. Fog and rain are on their way, I think the mushys know. Many of the pins stopped growing during the heat swings.. But they've nearly doubled just since last night. Was gettin worried, but its looking good now.


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    #15149436 - 09/28/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15150042 - 09/28/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Nominated POTM :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15151126 - 09/29/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15152370 - 09/29/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a size comparison from this morning.



Finally getting tall enough to get some decent gill shots!



last night while the lid was on I guess one mushroom grew against it and kinked itself. The lid is now becoming more of a problem as they are getting larger.. waiting on cooler weather, hope it comes quick!


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15156512 - 09/30/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

awww looking lovely there! so how do you know when to harvest them?


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Re: September Cyans [Re: keeno]
    #15157538 - 09/30/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im going by gill color and just looks.. When the gills a bit darker from spore release & the edges of the cap are still smooth.. Before it gets all black and haggard... Mature, but not too mature, though you can pick them older, just make sure they're not rotting.. Some people like to pick them young so there is less to eat, which is just dumb. I like to allow them to release plenty of spore and procreate. Its just not fair to the mushrooms to pick them so young.


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15165019 - 10/02/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Finally getting tall enough to get some decent gill shots!



last night while the lid was on I guess one mushroom grew against it and kinked itself. The lid is now becoming more of a problem as they are getting larger.. waiting on cooler weather, hope it comes quick!




Fuck yeah homie!!!!

this picture is so fucking boss

good job, harvest some of those motha fucckas! :awesome2:


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15177199 - 10/04/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Gettin' ready to pick 'em, Mature and depositing lots of spore!



Gonna let this one go longer, but I thought the gills were looking neat this morning..





Cute little pests have come back with the rains!





& just a photo from the set I took this morning that I like


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15177288 - 10/04/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Luvly and delicious:biggrin::mushroom2::thumbup:

7 months to go -  this side of the world.




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Re: September Cyans [Re: olive]
    #15179866 - 10/05/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When i die i want to come back as that slug at-least once.

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Re: September Cyans [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
    #15180670 - 10/05/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What the slug sees...

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15366075 - 11/13/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Second flush started 2 weeks ago. Twice as many of the primordia are maturing than the first flush. Will add pics soon. :laugh:


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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15366265 - 11/13/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Second flush started 2 weeks ago. Twice as many of the primordia are maturing than the first flush. Will add pics soon. :laugh:



Get ready for teh awesome sauce.

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Re: September Cyans [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
    #15367274 - 11/13/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: September Cyans [Re: Par]
    #15469321 - 12/05/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome stuff man! I did a very ghetto version of this, so I'm learning a lot from your thread. Thanks for sharing :cool::thumbup:

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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15487277 - 12/08/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sadly, these are the only pictures I got of the second flush, early on in November.. Was so busy & they were looking so nice.. then those damn windy days came while I was out of town, and dried them up last weekend :sad:

At least I got tons of spawn for next years garden. Been prepping 2 years for this.. Hoping to have a spectacular mushroom garden by next season.









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Re: September Cyans [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #15487341 - 12/08/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, for those beautiful shots!...  Looking forward to next years :thumbup:


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