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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15114209 - 09/21/11 09:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

wow... my eyes glazed over when I got down to "contents" on that wiki page...  no offence intended, but where I live all the trash pickup is recycled...  it all goes to the plant in my hometown where it is separated and then reused. 

See, in MY mind, I may have thrown out an 88 cent jar, but in fact I helped my economy by giving something of value (however small it may be) that in turn creates jobs, and revenue for others.

There is no "Land Fill" around here...  its ALL either recycled or incinerated.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15114317 - 09/21/11 09:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

There is no land fill in my county either. All we have is recycling. However, that does not stop the municipal board from sending trash to the closest county that does have one.

They aren't going to recycle a mason jar. Recycling facilities *ONLY* recycle glass that comes from food or drink products. Windows, cups, jars, tumblers, all that stuff is not going to get recycled.

Reason being, all they do is clean it, crush it, and sell it back to food packagers. The pepsi bottler will only want glass from old glass bottles.

if you like the idea of helping the economy, check out kiva.org I've made several 0% interest loans to struggling people who collect glass and paper and return them to manufacturing plants for recycling. never had any of them default on me either.

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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15115291 - 09/22/11 01:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i think anyone who throws away glass jars might as well be using sterilized substrate bags instead, they're alot less of a burden on the environment when you toss them.

if you're tossing glass jars, you're missing the point. glass jars will last a long time, and you can absolutely sterilize them again. throwing them out is just lazy.



...unless the jar has worms, then throw that shit out.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: dontkillthedj]
    #15115367 - 09/22/11 01:49 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, just toss the cake, not the jar (..esp if you're paranoid, think PRINTS+5-0 :wink:)  I had a 1/2 pint BRF cake contam pretty bad.  Sorry, no pics; I kept it around for a while just to see how the contam would affect the myc.. not a bad freak show; green/yellow/brown. 

Ended up making a trash bag hazmat t-shirt, took the jar to the dumpster, opened and emptied inside a plastic grocery bag -> file 13'd the cake and trash bag outside.  Wash->sterilize the empty jar.

I feel that was a decent procedure to reduce my exposure to the contams, but I suppose you could then (once inside, blinds drawn :blush:) strip naked for a full scrub down if you feel contam'd yourself.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: igigi]
    #15115429 - 09/22/11 02:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, just toss the cake, not the jar..  I had a 1/2 pint BRF cake contam pretty bad.  Sorry, no pics; I kept it around for a while just to see how the contam would affect the myc.. not a bad freak show; green/yellow/brown. 

Ended up making a trash bag hazmat t-shirt, took the jar to the dumpster, opened and emptied inside a plastic grocery bag -> file 13'd the cake and trash bag outside.  Wash->sterilize the empty jar.

I feel that was a decent procedure to reduce my exposure to the contams, but I suppose you could then (once inside, blinds drawn :blush:) strip naked for a full scrub down if you feel contam'd yourself.




just got done sterilizing 8 plastic 1/4 pint jars, 2 glass 1/4 pt jars and one 1/2 pint jar that were all stalled out or contam'd.

i need to redesign my 1/4 pint plastics, not one of them showed any growth after 3 weeks... wet spot. smelled sour.

oh well, got a tub of clean stuff ready to refill!


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: dontkillthedj]
    #15115491 - 09/22/11 02:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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just got done sterilizing 8 plastic 1/4 pint jars, 2 glass 1/4 pt jars and one 1/2 pint jar that were all stalled out or contam'd.

i need to redesign my 1/4 pint plastics, not one of them showed any growth after 3 weeks... wet spot. smelled sour.

oh well, got a tub of clean stuff ready to refill!




Work on your moisture content. Should be 1 cup brf, 1 cup water, 2 cups verm. And don't flood it when you inoculate - it already has perfect moisture content. If there's too much water, it's guaranteed to contam with bacteria.

Glass jars can get worms? You mean maggots? Cause there aren't a lot of worms in my grains or brf. Just drown them and/or toss them in the compost.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: igigi]
    #15115503 - 09/22/11 02:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Ended up making a trash bag hazmat t-shirt




hahaha how about that for a mental image. sounds like charlie work.

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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15115552 - 09/22/11 03:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Long story short, right? lol  But, I think you've got something, especially w/ the opening the jar under water to prevent spores from flying about, all nibbly bimbly and such.



@maug - bleach is fine all around.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: maug]
    #15115578 - 09/22/11 03:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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just got done sterilizing 8 plastic 1/4 pint jars, 2 glass 1/4 pt jars and one 1/2 pint jar that were all stalled out or contam'd.

i need to redesign my 1/4 pint plastics, not one of them showed any growth after 3 weeks... wet spot. smelled sour.

oh well, got a tub of clean stuff ready to refill!




Work on your moisture content. Should be 1 cup brf, 1 cup water, 2 cups verm. And don't flood it when you inoculate - it already has perfect moisture content. If there's too much water, it's guaranteed to contam with bacteria.

Glass jars can get worms? You mean maggots? Cause there aren't a lot of worms in my grains or brf. Just drown them and/or toss them in the compost.




yeah they were some experiment jars with my first finished LC, turned out that i injected too much and i've just been waiting this whole week to dispose of them and noc up some freshies with the oak ridge LC i have. i'm sure now that this next round will go smoothly. learning alot.

and i havent got any maggots in my jars but i've seen pics f them and it fucking freaks me out. i'd flip my shit if i saw a maggot in my jars.

seriously, i'd probably fucking lose it. haha :jimcarreysplit:


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: dontkillthedj]
    #15145550 - 09/28/11 04:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So just an update. I caught strep from soaking jars. I made 15 jars more than I could inoculate, and they eventually contaminated with bacteria. I scratched off the tape and submerged them in a bucket filled with water, but when I pulled them out some of them were not even wet inside. I took them outside and dumped them in the compost. I thoroughly hosed off the jars, put them back in the bucket, and filled it up with water. Brought them inside and stirred in a few drops of ClO2. I could tell it worked in about 10-15 minutes by how the glass went from slippery to "squeaky clean". But it was only a minute or so after I stopped stirring that I could feel the sore throat starting.

Don't soak. Even if the jars are mostly colonized, you're creating the perfect environment for bacteria. And brf is not very selective.

You could have a fogger/mister spray over the jars. Submerge them and slowly open them underwater. Have a fan blowing away from you. But in retrospect, soaking for any moderately long period of time seems like a dumb idea. Adding a chemical to kill spores already trapped in the water is pointless, as it's the airborne ones that are a concern. If anything you risk creating a super-strain that is resistant to your sanitation methods.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: maug]
    #15145566 - 09/28/11 04:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

did you put in the ClO2 on the initial soak before you ever opened them? if not, that's what my tek was recommending, to kill the baddies in the jar first.  I'm sorry to hear this either way...

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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15145602 - 09/28/11 05:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The strep is under control, so it's ok. And no, I added it after I dumped the brf.

I doubt that the chlorine would penetrate the brf very well. Water has a hard enough time getting in. So you'll still have to open the jars releasing air bubbles containing spores. Basically you're in the same situation as just slowly opening up the jars slowly under water, and dumping the brf out; you're counting on the water to trap the spores. I added the chlorine after emptying out the jars because that's when everything was exposed, and when it would be most effective for cleaning the jars for future grows.

Imo, a good fan outside > chlorine. Again, I think it's the airborne spores that you need to worry about. After dumping jars I take a shower and put on fresh clothing, I would think would take care of any spore-water that gets on me.

You're welcome to test any of it out. I did once, and I see no need to personally try it again.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: maug]
    #15145623 - 09/28/11 05:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

you've got me scared lol I'm gonna start wearing face masks filled with polyfill

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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15145664 - 09/28/11 05:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, I think an fan aimed outside the house is the best bet. It works for not breathing in lye vapor and other chemicals, it should work for this too.

For a funny story, Google search "paul stamets the blob". This is basically the same thing. On top of that, these polycultures could favor very resistant strains, because they have to fend off all the other bac/yeast and their set of antibiotics.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: maug]
    #15145880 - 09/28/11 07:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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So just an update. I caught strep from soaking jars...







Making this type of claim is how silly myths arise. 

First, to even know if you had a streptococcal bacteria infection which was causing your sore throat, you would have had to have gotten a throat culture done and analyzed by a lab or doctor.

Secondly, you would have also had to convince the lab to culture the material in your jars to determine if the same strain of bacteria was present in amounts which would have led to the infection....

My guess is that you did neither of those things.

And a super-strain of jar bacteria resistant to bleach.  Come on, stop scaring everyone...


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: volare]
    #15146908 - 09/28/11 12:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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So just an update. I caught strep from soaking jars...







Making this type of claim is how silly myths arise. 

First, to even know if you had a streptococcal bacteria infection which was causing your sore throat, you would have had to have gotten a throat culture done and analyzed by a lab or doctor.

Secondly, you would have also had to convince the lab to culture the material in your jars to determine if the same strain of bacteria was present in amounts which would have led to the infection....

My guess is that you did neither of those things.

And a super-strain of jar bacteria resistant to bleach.  Come on, stop scaring everyone...



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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: dontkillthedj]
    #15147529 - 09/28/11 02:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry if that seemed a little too dramatic, it just seems like there's so many better methods. You could also inject water into the jar with a syringe. I'm kinda grumpy from being sick too.

To me it seems like I could correlate being sick to the bacteria in the bucket because I could feel the sore throat starting minutes after I started cleaning the jars. It's been three days since then, and I'm still sick. My tonsils have light swelling, have white puss on them, and there's red spots on the roof of my mouth. I don't have money to throw away on a doctor, just to give it a name. Whether or not it's strep, imho the same risks still apply. Chlorine during the soak probably would have helped avoid getting sick, but a I still don't think sanitizing a substrate will have the same success rate as sanitizing water.

My only point really is that soaking brf creates a good environment for bacteria, and it should theoretically be about as effective at trapping mold spores as just opening the jars in the bucket. Anyways, I'm out of this thread.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: maug]
    #15148639 - 09/28/11 06:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I could feel the sore throat starting minutes after I started cleaning the jars.




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    #15148756 - 09/28/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i dont know why you didnt use bleach in your soak water, it kills everything... and maybe even lysol the air for good measure if you're worried about the bubbles from the jars letting out viable bacteria... i'm not, but if you really think that made you sick, then maybe you should take more preventative measures.


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Re: Contaminated Spawn Disposal Tek [Re: dontkillthedj]
    #15150200 - 09/28/11 10:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

or.... just open your jars outside?


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