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...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC)
    #1510758 - 05/01/03 10:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

All those  excitation around the identification of the shrooms found by  Joshua made me remember that i have an unidentified strain too...although i'm sure it's not a new specie and that a specialist will see clearly when i'm in the dark !
So, one year and a half ago, i found those shrooms growing directly on horse dung in a pasture where grew Panaeolus Sphinctrinus too. As i had the sphinctrinus to compare with i am sure it wasn't the same thing. I thinked first at Panaeolus Papillonaceus but the later pics i saw of this specie made me hesitant about it...
Finally, i am asking your help ! I took some dark prints of these beauties...so a microscopic checking would be possible...but i'm sure that it would not be necessary ! The shrooms were found in the west of France, in the begining of Autumn. The spores were black, the stems were white but some specimens showed a strange "metallic red " color that is difficult to see on the pic. I do not know if they were any toxic substance in it. Notice the nice golden-bronze reflect on some of the caps... :cool:


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
    #1510815 - 05/01/03 11:14 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: ]
    #1510866 - 05/01/03 11:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

haaa..i don't think that i'm lucky enough to have found something new haha !
Anyway, thanks for the offer, let's wait if someone has a better idea before looking at the spores...cause i let my prints in France...!


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
    #1510868 - 05/01/03 11:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I would say Panaeolus papillonaceus. No dout a Panaeolus species... the species campanulatus is a group which contains papillonaceus and sphinctrinus. There is a large amount of variation from environmental factors and whatnot.


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: angryshroom]
    #1511240 - 05/01/03 01:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

ALmost correct, however, I cannot tell if there are fringed teeth on the bottom edges of the gills. But you are probably right but I really doubtr they are P. Papilionaceus.

mj

And Guzm?n has no book on Panaeolus. There are two monographs on Panaeolus, Gyory-Miklos Ola'h's Le Genre panaeolus (in French and slightly outdated) and then there is Ewald Gerhardt's Monograph oin Panaolus (unfortunately in German).

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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1513290 - 05/02/03 12:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm...i can read French and German...is there any possibilities to see some text ?
I'm thinking more and more about Papillonaceus...cause of the stem and the grey color...although the margin didn't had any fringed teeth on the margin (i remember it because i checked this trait closely, i knew it is the typical trait of some paneolus species)...maybe a different looking Papillonnaceus ?


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
    #1513568 - 05/02/03 01:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

This may sound a little strange but, I'm almost 100% sure that I have found shrooms that look exactly like that in my own lawn. I picked dozens of them and they look EXTREMELY similar, I ate about 4 caps and felt nothing, neither did anybody else that I did them with. Maybe I should eat more, or maybe they're not psychoactive? I would also like to know what they are, I've tooken 2 spore prints (They're kind of faded now) and they turned out sorta of reddish/brownish color.
I'm just lost....whatever


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: UberAlles]
    #1513586 - 05/02/03 01:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

UberAlles: what kind of preliminary identification did you do prior to consumption?

almost every time someone post pics of a mushroom someone posts saying "dood, i found those exact mushrooms before" and more often than i'd like to think, they where not even the same genus.

be verry careful with mushroom identification, do not rely on physical appearance from pictures and never eat a mushroom you haven't identified to species.

i'm sure i'm preaching to a chior here, but i've got to speak up just in case.


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: canid]
    #1513622 - 05/02/03 02:00 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

That's a good question. I did not even I dentify them before I eat them. I know it was irresponsible and I could of been dead if they were poisonous but they weren't and they didn't seem to work either. It's sounds odd but the next time it rains I will pick them and take pictures to prove it. But since they are unidentified I would not have been able to identifie them.


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: UberAlles]
    #1513628 - 05/02/03 02:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I also forgot that I also smoked these same shrooms and I actually felt sort of a weak high. I wasn't exactly stoned but I was high enough to know that I was high. So maybe the problem was that I didn't eat enough of these. What's the average
dosage?


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: UberAlles]
    #1513631 - 05/02/03 02:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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But since they are unidentified I would not have been able to identifie them.





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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: canid]
    #1513762 - 05/02/03 03:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

he meant that if they were the same ones as kopelandia no one would have been able to identify it like right now:) 

you shouldnt eat mushrooms with a reddish/brown sporeprint isnt that like galerina?  alot of panaleous spp. are not active by the way so thats probly why u felt no effects.  the "high" from smoking was probly a combination of placebo and lack of oxygen to the brain.  and please read the FAQ the dosage depends on the size/species of mushroom.  our board also has a search feature which is helpful also.  last but not least welcome to the shroomery :smile:  peace

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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: blaze2]
    #1513771 - 05/02/03 03:18 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

it has not been established that nobody can identify this mushroom yet. they have been id'd to genus.


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: canid]
    #1513780 - 05/02/03 03:21 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i realize that i was just stating his point. thats what he meant when he said it. im sure the experts round here will figure it out. peace

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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: UberAlles]
    #1513787 - 05/02/03 03:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

YOu cannot get high smoking mushrooms.

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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1513825 - 05/02/03 03:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

not from psilocybian mushrooms at any rate.


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: canid]
    #1513839 - 05/02/03 03:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

indeed


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: blaze2]
    #1513906 - 05/02/03 05:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

...and my spores were black, not reddish brown !


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
    #1513918 - 05/02/03 05:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

youre mushrooms are panaeolus sphinctrinus var. campatalanus, somewhat aged and have lost the toothy margin, this is a very common mushroom, and also an easy identification :smile:
heres some more pics of thus speceis in some structural variety,



the following are papillonaceus


the later speceis showed bluing in all specimines,
the pick with the light has a single specimine of Panaeolus papillionaceus among those of panaeolus sphinctrinus. (the smallest one)


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Re: ...one year later...still unidentified !!! (PIC) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1513937 - 05/02/03 05:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

...hmm...yes...
Must be one of the two...hmm
By the way, "campanulatus"....not "Campatal'anus" haha !
Thanks for the ID !!!!


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