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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: PussyFart]
#18426321 - 06/16/13 05:02 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stratman said: I originally decided to go with Magash's "Rye bitches" tek in regards to casing (which uses a coir/verm layer on top and bottom of the rye spawn (in trays) but now I plan to spawn my grain to a bulk mix of coir, verm with and gypsum, cover, colinise and then put into fruiting conditions.
Does that sound about right?
Yes, mix the grains as even as possible with the pasteurized substrate, to take full advantage of every inoculation point.
If you need any more help....we'll be here....... 
mixing the grains is superior than layering in my previous experiences
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: PussyFart]
#18426346 - 06/16/13 05:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you need any more help....we'll be here....... 
Thank you. I appreciate your help. There's a lot of people here who I'm yet to thank for making this site such a valuable tool for learning but I'm getting around to it, slowly.
I did have a question that you missed-
Is it best to use bubble wrap/wax paper on the sub, or foil over the tray for colonising? I'm thinking that they are all plausible methods however I'm a little concerned about allowing too much FAE with the foil method.
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: Stratman]
#18426351 - 06/16/13 05:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stratman said: Is it best to use bubble wrap, wax paper on the sub or foil over the tray for colonising?
You need to cover the tray somehow for colonization, you want high co2. The lid should allow for some GE(Gas Exchange)
Bubblewrap and wax paper are pseudo casing layers, and are not really needed for cubes, but do have some benefits for some people in some situations(god that was vague). 
If you choose to use either, that is not until fruiting.
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: PussyFart]
#18426369 - 06/16/13 05:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Stratman said: Is it best to use bubble wrap, wax paper on the sub or foil over the tray for colonising?
You need to cover the tray somehow for colonization, you want high co2. The lid should allow for some GE(Gas Exchange)
Bubblewrap and wax paper are pseudo casing layers, and are not really needed for cubes, but do have some benefits for some people in some situations(god that was vague). 
If you choose to use either, that is not until fruiting.
Ok, so I'm guessing it would be fine to cover my trays with foil after I've spawned to bulk and add then some holes in the foil for GE during colonisation?
Under what conditions would you want to use wax paper for fruiting? Would you wait for pinning to begin and then take the wax paper off? I don't quite understand the theory behind what you've mentioned.
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: Stratman]
#18426373 - 06/16/13 05:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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People have fruited trays without a fruiting chamber, just with bubblewrap draped over them.(misting and fanning a lot)
If you cannot provide a proper environment, then use BW or WP, but it doesn't do much in a monotub that is dialed in properly.
Or in a SGFC really...but you can try it and see what works best for you.
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: r23martinshrm]
#18426379 - 06/16/13 05:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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r23martinshrm said: I've done extensive tests with all kinds of casing. When in doubt, use case 1/2 of your tub with one casing on the left, and 1/2 with another on the right. or 1/2 cased and 1/2 not. That way you can truly see what is going on when it starts to pin.
You've apparently never tried this. If you do, the cased side will pin and the uncased won't. That experiment has been done many times with the same results. It's never a valid test to do two procedures on the same tray. Use separate trays in the same environmental conditions with a different procedure for each. RR
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: PussyFart]
#18426413 - 06/16/13 06:09 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: People have fruited trays without a fruiting chamber, just with bubblewrap draped over them.(misting and fanning a lot)
If you cannot provide a proper environment, then use BW or WP, but it doesn't do much in a monotub that is dialed in properly.
Or in a SGFC really...but you can try it and see what works best for you.
Awesome! Thanks for clearing that up. I've been reading a lot on this site for many months now and I've refused to ask noob questions as opposed to using the search engine and this discussion has helped me to link the dots that have remained a mystery to me all of this time.
I'm relieved that now I can go about the next stage of my grow with confidence. No doubt I 'll asking questions very soon as I will begin fruiting next week.
Thank you too, RR. Your posts/notes here and your video are extremely helpful.
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: PussyFart]
#18430579 - 06/17/13 01:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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But if you are going to use coir as a casing layer, then I would sterilize it. Not from experience, but from research.
I am speaking from experience. Pasteurize it not sterilize it. I stand by using coirVM as a casing layer, even if many argue against this. Test it out, I get 4x as many pins as with 50/50+, and 10x as many pins as when it is left uncased.
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: r23martinshrm]
#18430617 - 06/17/13 02:04 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Citric said: When you sterilize coir it makes a _GREAT_ casing.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17796798#17796798
Apparently both ways work then...
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Re: Why would one use coco coir as a casing if its nutritious to myc? [Re: PussyFart]
#18430899 - 06/17/13 05:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Citric said: When you sterilize coir it makes a _GREAT_ casing.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17796798#17796798
Apparently both ways work then...
I came across this thread a few nights ago and after you and Veda cleared some things up for me it now makes perfect sense. Makes me wanna try a few methods that some experienced cultivators have had success with.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6465151/fpart/1/vc/1
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