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    #15095472 - 09/18/11 11:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15095590 - 09/18/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Ditch the "heat bomb." Colonizing grain bags produce a lot of heat on their own.
Room temp 68-78F is fine for colonizing grains & bulk.

Check the links in my signature for some tips on mono tubs & links to an easy bulk substrate recipe via Damion5050.

D's Coir tek is great for starters & is cheap.
You can get coir @ your local pet store & a 5 gallon bucket for less than $10.

I like your little contraption but mono tubs are "set & forget."
& don't need any help via a coolmist for RH.

I just keep my poly extreme loose in the holes & a small fan going in the room.
6500K lights on a 12/12 schedule.
Also, colonizing grains, LCs, bulk, etc. benefit from indirect light during colonization.

Here's a few pictures of my mono tub set up:


Other side of the room, small blew fan on high 24/7:


GL can't wait, those bags look about ready.


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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100143 - 09/19/11 09:56 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

IDK what that last contraption you have pictured there, but whatever it is, i highly doubt you need it.

with monotubs, you just need to mist and fan throughout the day and night. looks like youre trying to make this more difficult than it needs to be :smile: noobs do that a lot

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    #15100415 - 09/19/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100438 - 09/19/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

why are the holes covered with tape?

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100439 - 09/19/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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here is what the tub looks like after being prepped. should two at the top and 4 on the bottom be enough??



Judging by the size of those holes, yes. I use 1 1/4" holes with 4 per long side and 2 on the ends with easy felt rather than poly fill and They get plenty of FAE. You are going to have to adjust your polyfill to the right tightness to maintain RH so they don't dry out but so that they get adequate FAE but that comes when you put them into fruiting :thumbup:


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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: Meetzu]
    #15100465 - 09/19/11 11:31 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i would avoid easy felt. i had it on a half dozen tubs and ended up taking it off and going back to polyfil. pretty sure it was the easy felt was drying my substrate out.

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: AnonO]
    #15100500 - 09/19/11 11:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: AnonO]
    #15100509 - 09/19/11 11:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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i would avoid easy felt. i had it on a half dozen tubs and ended up taking it off and going back to polyfil. pretty sure it was the easy felt was drying my substrate out.



:shrug: works for me, but I have a considerably smaller area for fae in comparison to most of the monos I see on here.


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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: Meetzu]
    #15100530 - 09/19/11 11:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i might just slap some back on a tub and see what it does.

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: AnonO]
    #15100567 - 09/19/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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i might just slap some back on a tub and see what it does.



Like I said, my holes are small by most standards. About 1 1/4" the area = ~1.8 in^2 doubling the hole radius increases the area by a larger factor (2.7 in this case) - eg. a 2.5" hole ~ 4.9 in^2. So it may well dry your sub out depending on the layout & hole size. Maybe doubling up on it or adjusting with tape. But generally when I make post here I will say 'this works for me' indicating it may not work for all due to environment, setup, etc.


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    #15100575 - 09/19/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100581 - 09/19/11 12:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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i might just slap some back on a tub and see what it does.



Like I said, my holes are small by most standards. About 1 1/4" the area = ~1.8 in^2 doubling the hole radius increases the area by a larger factor (2.7 in this case) - eg. a 2.5" hole ~ 4.9 in^2. So it may well dry your sub out depending on the layout & hole size. Maybe doubling up on it or adjusting with tape. But generally when I make post here I will say 'this works for me' indicating it may not work for all due to environment, setup, etc.




true. we may live in totally different climates.

i wish felt worked for me, thats for sure. i might buy a pack of synthetic filter discs and tape those over the holes and see if that works. i like the flatness of felt vs polyfil lol. its smoother and cleaner. no fuzzy shit sticking out and sometimes falling out of the holes.

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okaaay but back to the current hole situation i was asking, is is best to duct tape holes till ready to fruit or put in the polyfill right away?




i would put polyfil in right away. thats what i always do and i always end up with mushrooms. :shrug:

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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100592 - 09/19/11 12:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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okaaay but back to the current hole situation i was asking, is is best to duct tape holes till ready to fruit or put in the polyfill right away?



I tape mine up but my lids aren't super-duper tight so they get GE through the lids. A number of people here use tightly packed polyfill during colonization and then loosen it for fruiting.


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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100617 - 09/19/11 12:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The hole size is fine, like I said, you will just have to adjust the poly for fruiting to get FAE without drying things out. And you could do poly in a couple holes and tape the others if you feel so inclined.


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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: subson1k]
    #15100629 - 09/19/11 12:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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okaaay but back to the current hole situation i was asking, is is best to duct tape holes till ready to fruit or put in the polyfill right away?




I leave the holes taped for colonization & consolidation.
Once ready to fruit, you remove the tape & replace w/ extremely loose poly w/ a small fan going in the room for FAE.

A 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule & it's complete set & forget.

You want extremely high CO2 levels during colonization & consolidation.
Therefore, leave the holes taped & let the lid be your GE.

You should be between 10K-20K ppm CO2 during colonization & consolidation.

Most that use poly during colonization are wrapping the lid w/ saran wrap & using the poly for GE.

Also, you want the substrate to dry a bit during fruiting, because evaporating water from the surface of the substrate is the number 1 pinning trigger.


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Re: my first attempt! grow log with pics (any tips or help is appreciated) [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15101941 - 09/19/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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okaaay but back to the current hole situation i was asking, is is best to duct tape holes till ready to fruit or put in the polyfill right away?




I leave the holes taped for colonization & consolidation.
Once ready to fruit, you remove the tape & replace w/ extremely loose poly w/ a small fan going in the room for FAE.



You want extremely high CO2 levels during colonization & consolidation.
Therefore, leave the holes taped & let the lid be your GE.


Most that use poly during colonization are wrapping the lid w/ saran wrap & using the poly for GE.

Also, you want the substrate to dry a bit during fruiting, because evaporating water from the surface of the substrate is the number 1 pinning trigger.



This answer is gold.

If it's a large tub that can't fit into a plastic bag I would follow these directions to a T. For smaller tubs, my personal favorite way to attain good co2 levels bagging the tub up. I open the bag up once a day for a few seconds to refresh the air. This seems to work well.. I had some dubtubs that I just put the top on the bottom tub (no polyfill, because no holes on the bottom tub). I actually ended up throwing THESE in plastic bags after I tried a few side by side.. the plastic bag method really seems to speed up colonization for me due to increased c02 levels.

Soem people will say this is outdated info, unnecessary, etc... To each their own.

But it doesn't look like your working with a mini by any means!

Good luck! Really anxious to see this fruited!

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