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Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment
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I've had success crumbling my cakes and have made a grow log documenting my journey through my first grow. I kept one cake intact which just started pinning 3 days ago and I wondered what, if any, difference there was in yield, size, and rate of growth.

I have 2 cakes that I started to fruit yesterday so I decided that 1 I would allow to stay as an intact cake and fruit normally. The other I decided to do a mini version of what I've had success with(normally I crumble all 12 jars together and place in a tub).

September 18th, 2011
Have 2 cakes ready to fruit. Cake1 will be fruited as normal. Cake2 will be crumbled.



I broke cake2 in half to show that it has consolidated. Might be tough to see from the crappy pic but it has mycelium running throughout its entirety.



Next I crumbled it up in a bag into as small of pieces as possible.



Then I prepped the jar(using a pint jar, cake is from a half pint jar) I would be using with a base layer of perlite. No particular amount, just enough so the substrate would fill to near the top of the jar leaving room for casing layer.



Then I added the substrate layer.



Finally I cased it with a 60/40 peat/verm layer.



I returned the jar containing cake2 to colonization conditions for 4 more days. After the secondary colonization I will place it in the same tub as cake1.

Just a little experiment I wanted to try. Will continue to update.

-Note: Fruiting at ~72 degrees, 12/12 light/dark, misting, fanning, and using an air pump. Colonization at ~80 degrees in the dark.-

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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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September 20th, 2011
2 days of secondary colonization and the mycelium has spread through the substrate pretty well. Going to leave it for another 2 days.


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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Devolver said:



What is your purpose in crumbling a pf cake and then putting it into another jar onto a separate solid pf cake?
What do you hope to learn from doing this?


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: prismism]
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It's on top of a layer of perlite not a solid cake.

I've had success using this method on a larger scale. I crumbled 11 half pint cakes, layered on top of perlite, and cased. The link in my signature is to that grow log.

My crumbled cake tub(used 11/12 cakes) just finished its first flush yesterday while the remaining cake just started pinning a couple days ago.

What I wondered was the difference, if any, there would be by crumbling them or leaving them whole. When making bulk people always say to leave it fluffy and don't pack it down. By breaking the cake up I can make it fluffy.

My experience has told me that having the substrate loose lets the mycelium do its thing faster but that is comparing a tub to a single cake. This way its a more controlled environment using the same amount of substrate and keeping it in the same tub so it receives the exact same moisture, light, FAE, and temps.

I wanted to document this just to see what, if any, difference there would be in speed and yield. Like you a lot of people question me for crumbling the cakes up saying I am just changing its shape and making more work for myself. I figured I'd see if they were right or if there is any benefits from crumbling them.

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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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Sorry, I didn't look at the other thread. I'm assuming you didn't pasteurize or sterilize the perlite before adding it, which would have been beneficial for your experiment. The truth is--you don't really want a bottom reservoir such as you have created. It just adds another vector for contamination, and the substrate itself should have enough moisture for the flush without the perlite underneath it.
Crumbling cakes is great if you are going to spawn them to a bulk substrate, but what you're doing is simply crumbling and casing. Breaking apart your pf cakes and adding no new nutrients is not beneficial for your mycelium.
On top of that, you can't use multispore inoculant and expect a controlled experiment. Sadly, the results of your experiment will be moot.


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: prismism]
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I did not read everything, but:

prismism said:
Sorry, I didn't look at the other thread. I'm assuming you didn't pasteurize or sterilize the perlite before adding it, which would have been beneficial for your experiment.


There is no point at all in pasteurizing perlite as it has neither nutrients nor some kind of microfauna.


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The truth is--you don't really want a bottom reservoir such as you have created. It just adds another vector for contamination, and the substrate itself should have enough moisture for the flush without the perlite underneath it.


True.

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Crumbling cakes is great if you are going to spawn them to a bulk substrate, but what you're doing is simply crumbling and casing. Breaking apart your pf cakes and adding no new nutrients is not beneficial for your mycelium.


Correct. In fact, crumbling cakes just to case them is pretty retarded.


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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Wow! Thanks for the constructive criticism lord_mclovin.... The way I'm doing things does in fact work, see my grow log in my signature, and I was giving my time and energy to document a little experiment I thought would be interesting.

You sure got a smart mouth on you. Have you ever experimented with anything like what I'm doing? It isn't sophisticated but I don't want any name calling from a backseat grower. You can take your negative attitude and shove it up your ass.

I openly accept constructive criticism, both good and bad, but if you want to be a bitch and call what I'm doing retarded you can go fuck yourself. Apologies to anyone, but him, that this offends.

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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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On a brighter note....

September 21st, 2011
Jar looked really good, mycelium had worked its way through the fluffy substrate. Put it into the tub with the other jar.

Will update when anything of note happens

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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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Hey man, I was just trying to help you. I did not mean to insult you, and there is no point in being offensive here.

Anyway, I still wish you good luck on your grow.


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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You know, I just want to say that the reason I am doing this little experiment, for my own curiosity, is precisely due to this negative reaction I get for crumbling my cakes without spawning.

I move my tubs around quite a bit and having multiple tubs full of perlite and cakes doesn't work for me. I can crumble all dozen cakes and put them in one tub and not worry about them tipping over, being too close to the wall or other cakes, half as much perlite(and from what you guys say I shouldn't be using it at all),etc....

Crumbling the cakes is a convenience to me and I wondered if I was losing or gaining anything by doing it.

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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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As, I already said, you should not crumble your cakes just to case them. This puts unnecessary stress on the mycelium.

If you don't like this cake-SGFC way of growing, try another tek. This is simpler and A LOT less prone to failure (especially without the proper knowledge) than trying to invent something new.

Just for the record: If you really need to crumble your cakes and case them for whatever reason you might think of, do yourself a favor and use the crumbled cakes as a spawn medium for more substrate.
The point of doing this is not just increasing the amount of colonized substrate (although this is a nice side effect :smirk:), the point is to give the mycelium more nutes so it can recover from the damage you have done to it more easily.


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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I appreciate this constructive criticism man. Calling what I do with my own time and energy retarded kind of got to me and I apologize for my outburst. I'm a noob and operate on experience. I have a hard time breaking away from what has worked for me so I do these little experiments.

Thanks again for explaining why you think what I'm doing is retarded and not just saying it was retarded like before. If I wan't to be called dumb I'll talk to my girlfriend haha!

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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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You're welcome.
Also just for the record: I never called you retarded, I was just trying to tell you that you were doing something I would call a big mistake. I had to learn this the hard way myself.
Moreover, I have to admit that I was a little drunk when I posted. However, this should not be an excuse for what I was writing.^^

Anyway, let's have a look on how it turns out.


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Re: Comparing cake vs. crumbled experiment [Re: Devolver]
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It's perfectly in your right to continue doing things the way you like, but don't be so quick to dismiss new information from people who have more experience than you. Casing crumbled cakes is an outdated method, so is using a bottom reservoir. They have been proven over time to be inferior to spawning to a bulk substrate, for reasons already stated by Lord_Mclovin. Spawning to bulk is not any more difficult than casing, so give it a shot and then let us know what you think.


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