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I'm not convinced proxy servers don't exist, but I'm convinced they don't work
    #15097466 - 09/18/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ttp://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/f/hideipaddress.htm

according to the article, using firefox and enabling a check under the 'use proxy server' box should keep your public i.p. hidden. and yet this never works, anyone know why? I'm not sure, but here is my guess

if your public i.p. was kept inside your list of cookies, then every time you clean the disk and clean the registry, it would seem that your public i.p. address would change. But this doesn't change it, so using firefox will apparently change this? I doubt it

my guess is that public i.p. address is registered somewhere, your computer keeps some i.p. info in root folders. because it is very easy to forward between gmail and outlook. what does this have to do with your public i.p.? network information stored in cookies, i.p. and mac address wise. if you set up gmail and outlook to forward emails to each other, it's usually as simple as enabling pop3 in gmail, then enabling gmail.pop3 and gmail.smtp in outlook, the emails will usually come straight to each others inboxes, as long as you access gmail from the same computer you use to access outlook. does cleaning cookies change this?? hell no.

so does a proxy i.p. work? I'm sure it does, but I'm sure using a proxy means you need something deeper then the check box enabled in your browser, this might make it possible for the proxy to work with the browser, but wouldn't you need special software as well to change that? computers are complex enough, but trying to understand how packets trade between another network when you access the Internet and your computer is fairly difficult added to how a computer works. the osi model is supposed to help by studying the abstraction between the hardware software and modem/router and how you recieve dns/dhcp/whatever else, but it's like anything else. in theory it's one thing, put to the test it's something else to understand how complex it can become.


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Re: I'm not convinced proxy servers don't exist, but I'm convinced they don't work [Re: imachavel]
    #15097772 - 09/18/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Your public IP isn't stored by cookies, it's leased to your modem for a certain amount of time by DHCP from your ISP.

If I understand what you're asking then your actually thinking about networking in a LAN environment. The Data link layer on the OSI model is still being used to transfer information across a WAN environment but not using MAC addresses. (WAN networking architecture is far more varied and complex than I can explain)

The way a proxy server works is that using the check box and entering a proxy server in the box, your browser will actually make website requests through that server instead of using DNS to make the request itself.


You can think of it this way, If I RDP into another computer on my network and open up the web browser all the website I visit are actually being requested by the computer I'm remoted into and then being tunneled to me on my screen.

In a sense I'm using these proxy servers to browse the web but it's being re-transmitted to me from the proxy server.

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Re: I'm not convinced proxy servers don't exist, but I'm convinced they don't work [Re: NeonLyteDayDream]
    #15097800 - 09/18/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ok I understand that. so it actually works? I've heard the moxilla firefox proxy addition is completely bunk. if your public i.p. is leased to your modem, that information doesn't come up when you visit the internet on whoever is on the other end of the internet page you are visiting?

if the proxy works, that is very cool. but I've heard half the time the proxy request is made, that it fails, and you just end up visiting the web site without routing through the proxy server, and the web site takes note of your i.p. information.

when those packets are sent, is a request by the modem made where it just finds the closest server to route to? I'd imagine it does. a proxy might be nice, but is there a way to make the proxy REQUIRED? I'd imagine there is, but my faith in moxilla firefox not using a setting requiring a proxy, but using a setting that makes the proxy available first hand, is what I truly believe.

if you used a proxy, then if you ran traceroute to any web site, the first few list of hops would always be the same, since you are using a fixed server. However, that might be true anyways, since you use service from your i.s.p. to access the internet.

you see what I'm saying? I believe in the ability, but don't necessarily believe that mozilla firefox settings will force that process. it's a nice browser feature, but I'm sure it's forcefully bypassed by your modem to get you into the internet i.s.p. network to get you online.


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Re: I'm not convinced proxy servers don't exist, but I'm convinced they don't work [Re: imachavel]
    #15099524 - 09/19/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

traceroute , outlook and most other network applications are unaffected by the IE or Mozilla proxy setting, they will always use your standard Network connection setting.

I can't attest to the 100% functionality of Mozillas proxy connection or it's ability to compensate when a connection to the proxy server could not be made, only to say that in a perfect world that's how it operates.

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Re: I'm not convinced proxy servers don't exist, but I'm convinced they don't work [Re: NeonLyteDayDream]
    #15102658 - 09/19/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I hear that. in a perfect world I'd like to think that's how it works. and maybe it does. let's hope so, because it's always nice to think computers work in perfect algorithmic functions and never fail and when a program is supposed to do some complex function like reroute your public i.p. to another server and allow you browse anonymously, that it will do so without question, just the way computers always work. without question :lol:

anyway we know that isn't how that always works, but I'll just assume it is how it works. Because I am a man of faith, I believe in thing with the power they have to work in the ways they are supposed to work. I myself know computers sometimes just piss you off, however if a perfect world existed where they worked in such a way with no questions asked 24/7, I'd go for that concept, even if it doesn't exist in such a way, because it'd be easier for EVERYONE, if they worked in such a way, no questions asked, the first time you tried it out every time :wink:


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