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creating a super strain by cross breeding spores
    #15082421 - 09/15/11 01:24 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Hi all.  I was talking with my friend last night and we kinda got to thinking..  If u can mix spores and create a hybrid, whats stopping u from cross breeding that hybrid several times with other strains to create a strain with better performance, better potency?

for instance, i mixed Maz and Redspore to which i think i may have created a cross. Please observe..

Maz



Mazx Redspore


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To me, the maz x redspore has the traits of both Maz and redspore.  Its smaller than both the maz and respore, but looks similar to both. 

So suppose these strains have crossed and carried traits from both parents.  What it u were to take this hybrid and cross it again with another great performer, then take that hybrid and cross it again ?! Wouldnt u in a sense b creating a strain that has many positive characteristics of all the strains combined and possibly super charge the potency??  I think it would b worth a shot.  What do u guys think?


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: losfreddy]
    #15082537 - 09/15/11 01:51 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Hi all.  I was talking with my friend last night and we kinda got to thinking..  If u can mix spores and create a hybrid, whats stopping u from cross breeding that hybrid several times with other strains to create a strain with better performance, better potency?

for instance, i mixed Maz and Redspore to which i think i may have created a cross. Please observe..

Maz



Mazx Redspore


Redspore


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14805875

To me, the maz x redspore has the traits of both Maz and redspore.  Its smaller than both the maz and respore, but looks similar to both. 

So suppose these strains have crossed and carried traits from both parents.  What it u were to take this hybrid and cross it again with another great performer, then take that hybrid and cross it again ?! Wouldnt u in a sense b creating a strain that has many positive characteristics of all the strains combined and possibly super charge the potency??  I think it would b worth a shot.  What do u guys think?





How exactly did you "mix" these strains? and it won't necessarily take the good traits it could wind up with more bad than good


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: Slayer1024]
    #15082576 - 09/15/11 02:02 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

i mixed the spores in a multi-spore syringe.  At least i think hybridization took place..  please refer to the grow log.  The mix of the spores turned small, miniature shrooms with less weight as compared to the two parent shrooms which were larger and had more weight.  But what im aiming for next is a strain with better potency.  Kinda like how they cross-breed weed strains to make better weed with better traits and more THC.


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: losfreddy]
    #15082675 - 09/15/11 02:31 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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i mixed the spores in a multi-spore syringe.  At least i think hybridization took place..




are you really sure hybridization is that easy? ever heard of snake venom and mycelium isolates? :shrug:


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: cc2]
    #15082807 - 09/15/11 03:11 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: cc2]
    #15082816 - 09/15/11 03:12 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

It may or maynot b as easy as mixing spores and no I haven't heard of snake venom and mycelium. I thought that there was past successes of hybridization by mixing spores. RR created a penius envy cross by mixing spores I thought. It's always good to experiment thou.  I mixed these spores and got this result. I feel like hybridization accured cause of the difference in shroons when compared to the control. So no, I'm not sure if creating hybrids is as easy as mixing spores, but it might b. I feel like its worth a shot thou.

A few years back people on the shroomery speculated that one strain would just take over the other. Now its common belief that u can cross breeds. What's the hurt in trying?  Unless someone tries, we may never know. But if it is possible, perhaps a super strain or really cool strain can b created. Look at what they've done with weed.


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: losfreddy]
    #15086637 - 09/16/11 12:05 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

To create a super strain would involve single spores (haploid) from each strain forming diploid cells and then maturing enough to create offspring. Good luck with the multi-spore approach.


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: XFINITY]
    #15087335 - 09/16/11 02:59 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Good luck with the multi-spore approach.




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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: k00laid]
    #15090404 - 09/17/11 04:25 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

well with multispore you would have monokaryot --> dikaryot couplings but also dikaryotic pairings through anastomosis.

It's a legit way of mixing them, it's just that the substrate would be a mess of all sorts of strains. In mycology, a strain is a dikaryotic result from two monokaryots meeting, or the resulting strain from an anastomotic coupling.

This works, but it's not really working the way you think it's working. you'll have to take prints and move on to the next generation to see what the traits are like. I wonder if rust spores are dominant or recessive...

You should search for and read the posts by RR about breeding, and other threads on crossing cubensis. Mycological breeding is much more complicated than plants or animals, and I'm baked, it's late and I don't want to explain how dikaryotic couplings themselves will decide the appearance of the fruitbodies etc.


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: Flowing]
    #15131629 - 09/25/11 01:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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well with multispore you would have monokaryot --> dikaryot couplings but also dikaryotic pairings through anastomosis.

It's a legit way of mixing them, it's just that the substrate would be a mess of all sorts of strains. In mycology, a strain is a dikaryotic result from two monokaryots meeting, or the resulting strain from an anastomotic coupling.

This works, but it's not really working the way you think it's working. you'll have to take prints and move on to the next generation to see what the traits are like. I wonder if rust spores are dominant or recessive...

You should search for and read the posts by RR about breeding, and other threads on crossing cubensis. Mycological breeding is much more complicated than plants or animals, and I'm baked, it's late and I don't want to explain how dikaryotic couplings themselves will decide the appearance of the fruitbodies etc.




Waay more complex.. A good place to start is in the fact that (this) mycelium is dinucleic, which is completely relevant to its sexual propagation. If that doesnt make sense, (OP) has some research to do!

instead of trying to stabilize a hybrid, why not use cloning techniques? find a fruit you like and propagate the fucker.


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Re: creating a super strain by cross breeding spores [Re: 30rack]
    #15163130 - 10/01/11 05:57 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Dr harry, if i'm not mistaken. didn't you just mix jars of colonized grain with substrate to come up with zape?

thought i'd read that before.


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