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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #21349815 - 03/01/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

OP..im willing to bet that cliff guy and the others were coming off as controlling because you signed the contract and if anything happened to you, they could have gotten in a lot of trouble because they let you out of their sights.

This didn't seem like the best situation, but I honestly think the drug got you a little paranoid and you hyped up the situation to be a lot worse than it really was.

And I doubt they were trying to suck energy out of people and giving it to the shaman...they were probably just intensely praying and trying to use the shaman in the "healing".


And 1 last thing...about the brainwashing cult stuff..remember that if it didn't come off as brainwashing and culty then the church wouldn't get away with dosing people with ayahuasca..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21350813 - 03/02/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

LOL i too got in contact with the ashland church and theres actually a portland office as well. Im currently in the interview process will let you guys know how it goes. Im not a religious or spiritual type but im always open to trying new things even if they dont sound like my cup of tea on paper. Ill let you know how it goes.

next up is phone interview and then in person then i can join in on a "working".


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“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”- Dr. Seuss

"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #21531735 - 04/11/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Hi.This has been an interesting and hilarious thread.Im an ex hard drug addict andhave been living in Hare Krishna ashramas off and on since 2005.I also used to be a catechumen to the Orthodox Catholic church and have had psychonautic relationships and experiences with Mother Mary and Christ via prayer,mushrooms,cannibas,icons,San Pedro,hesychasm,etc.,etc. ... Im staying at the Denver,CO ISKCON temple at the moment and should be heading towards Oregon(possibly Eugene,Portland or Ashland) in a week.I plan to contact the Church of Daime ASAP and do the Aya ceremony(never done Aya).More input on all things mentioned in the thread would be much appreciated.Thanx.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: KRSNA]
    #21532077 - 04/11/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

It's a long process takes months.  You can't just go to one.


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"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

"If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me."
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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21536115 - 04/12/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

You guys blow my mind if you'd put up with bullcrap like what OP described in his trip report. :lol:  The original Ayahuasceros and shamans (from what I understand) are all about self experience.  Muddling the whole thing with Christianity seems like a recipe for horseshit.

I'd probably have knocked Ol' Cliff's fucking block off if he tried to stop me from leaving. :shrug:


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invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22104915 - 08/17/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm looking forward to my Santo Daime work Sept. 5th and if your prejudiced against Santo Daime talk to Mother Aya about it,she's the one who inspired the idea.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: KRSNA]
    #22104919 - 08/17/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude shouldn't have gone to their ceremony if he wasn't capable of respecting their religion.sometimes people have to keep things organized it can't be all hippy chaos all the time.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: KRSNA]
    #22104940 - 08/17/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Someone's sore! I've got a lot of experience with Santo daime church members. Organized religion isn't really my thing but every Santo daime church member I've met in person is a space cadet. It borders on culty. But that's just my opinion and experience. :shrug: I can have an incredible oral dmt experience in the confines and comfort of my own home. I feel like people stumbling around puking everywhere and singing in Portuguese would give me a bad trip.


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"Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West

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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Rewindicus]
    #22110905 - 08/19/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No shit right?  I don't think Id be down with the Daime if it came my way.


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invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #25895982 - 03/25/19 02:16 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Does anyone know if the Daime have a location in Washington State?? Thank you


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Sproctor]
    #25897037 - 03/25/19 11:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

After reading through the thread. Why would you want to? You can do it at home.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #25897114 - 03/26/19 12:16 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

At home naked on your bed where you lay night after night to fill dreams in head. Be where I’d like to be for a cup o tea.

I would think the medicine would be doing wonders for those who partake and carry along to what church has set. Sure that’s why people will be practicing with such church. Yet, so many people so very different in needs and desires to what seek to an experience. Communication and understanding a must to having mutual rewarding relationships. Honesty, or very well liars, aids as building blocks to rise up to higher places.

I’ve lost my mind, can I borrow yours?  No, never had one of me own. I got one, we can share. 
Never mind, I will go find mine.

I recall of friend speaking of a podcast where this folk went South America to partake of aya ceremony. After the group drank tea, the leaders asked all to follow him and get in boat where they took to the local village to be among the villagers. ...  contact high shared. I don’t know.

You want a car. Go to dealership and the sales men sale you on a “steal of a deal”.  You buy car and now, have car.

You want a car, know exactly which car, you go and buy that car.

You don’t want a car. Great, bicycle!

Tea sounds well. Now, if Lady agrees, we have tea.


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Hip, hip... WhoRAy!!!

Eye was thinking the other day...  ahh, thinking never done me no good.



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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #28152453 - 01/22/23 04:06 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I started reading this thread and did not continue all the way thru but somehow wound up at this post.
I am so sorry you had a bad experience but I am glad to know this because i will not bother to go there. I have been following Chris Kilham on Youtube and purchased one of his books, The Ayahuasca, test pilots handbook.
I was in the process of moving to Costa Rica but there is a halt to that plan at the moment. I am going to go visit in June but cannot afford the seven day retreat at this point. Going to try for next year. They have been kind and understanding in our communications so far.
Thank you for this thread.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: KRSNA]
    #28250005 - 03/27/23 08:59 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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Dude shouldn't have gone to their ceremony if he wasn't capable of respecting their religion.sometimes people have to keep things organized it can't be all hippy chaos all the time.




This right here. Now I don't know what these church folks are like, for all we know they could be corrupt as we all know lots of corruption in organized religion.

However, some of the comments here leave a lot to be desired including some things OP said.

DAIME is a spiritist religion like many spiritist religions in Brazil it is based on the spiritist teachings of Alan Kardec in addition to other syncretic teachings that get folded in with spiritism which also includes christianity, buddhism, and even some african religions.

After reading the english songs posted here, as a gnostic christian who also a spiritist with buddhist leanings I identify with these faiths and I'm here to tell you its not bullshit at all and psychedelics are part of the experience in quite a few christian spiritist faiths, not all, but many.

As for dressing in white, well that's how spiritism faiths are done almost all of them all of the sects have people dress in white for service in brazil and the churches that practice spiritism here. There are rules around the practice of spiritism but these aren't like the "fundamentalist" rules of christianity styled in america. The white clothing is to keep the spiritual area clean.

And speaking of the christianity you guys do know there is more to this than your regular judgemental american catholics and christians, right? As a gnostic christian I can tell you that my faith is much closer to buddhism than it is to the Baptist church.

The only thing I will side with when it comes to the OP is the bossiness he supposedly encountered, then again, he was high AF so maybe his interpretation was based in his own issues rather than the intentions of the church members.

Spiritism can be practiced without a church. I do this. Gnostic christianity can be practiced without a church, I also do this. I agree that corruption seems to ruin a lot of churches so for me anyways it's best just to get together with like minded spiritual people who want to practice in spiritism.

But...yep that comes with some RULES. Hippy chaos is not going to work. I really wish this church would have had OP get familiar with the books of Alan Kardec which are free to download in english online because I am certain they must know of these. Anyways... it's a church, and if you show up you need to respect the faith even if you don't agree with it.


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Re: So I contacted the Santo Daime church in Ashland, Oregon [Re: Satyapriya]
    #28250036 - 03/27/23 09:14 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

Well as a gnostic christian and spiritist these prayers make perfect sense to me because they actually echo the same teachings in gnostic christianity which is far different from lets say the baptist church.

Many of these Brazilian spiritist sects do practice with psychedelics and a form of folk catholicism but these prayers my goodness....they sound almost identical to gnostic christian doctrines.

The divine virgin mother is what we call Sophia. Jesus bringing the light of the one true god which is unknowable in this universe (but with these plants and fungi we can see past the illusions of the material universe), a universe that was created by the flawed and blind god, the demiurge. I could go on here, but I am floored at how much these songs reflect the ancient gnostic christian scriptures that were banned by the mainstream church and left out of the bible. What is astonishing is that I am certain that the Daime churches are not familiar with the gnostic christian texts since the church was founded prior to the discovery of these texts in 1945. Thank you for posting them and I will be including them in my mushroom spiritist practice.


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