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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1505884 - 04/29/03 10:00 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

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Goddamn, those Libertarians make so much sense. Why wouldn't anyone vote for them? 




Truer words were never spoken.

Its all part of the plan: Americans turn libertarian and Canadians stay socialist. :grin: 



I'd be fine with that if it became easier for Americans to become Canadian citizens.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1505998 - 04/29/03 10:43 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

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roads should be maintained by the private sector. there is no reason for the government to maintain roads.




Do you know why interstates were created?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506015 - 04/29/03 10:50 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

Do you know why interstates were created?

For interstate travel by automobile. yes, i am aware that this is of strategic importance to our military.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1506020 - 04/29/03 10:52 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

Well let me rephrase that. Do you know and understand why the government has a vested interest in the interstate system?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506022 - 04/29/03 10:52 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

post edited. check it out. what's the point?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1506024 - 04/29/03 10:52 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

So why then shouldn't the government pay for it?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1506028 - 04/29/03 10:55 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

My point is that only somebody who is completely ingorant ot the functionality of the government would propose eliminating taxation.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506032 - 04/29/03 10:57 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

if the interstate highway system is a part of our defensive infrastructure, then it's ok that the government pays for it.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506036 - 04/29/03 10:58 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

My point is that only somebody who is completely ingorant ot the functionality of the government would propose eliminating taxation.

no, your point is that because interstate highways are a part of our defensive infrastructure, governmental funding of highway projects is allowable under a libertarian government. it's a good example, and something i hadn't considered. i agree with you about the highways. have you any other examples of the "functionality of government"?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1506038 - 04/29/03 11:01 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

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there is no reason for the government to maintain roads.




Those are your words am I not correct? And how is the government going to be paying for these roads?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1506048 - 04/29/03 11:06 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

Well thank you for explaining my point to me. I had no idea of the message that I was trying to convey. Thank you for pointing out my stupidity.

There are numerous things which the government spends money on that are legitimate projects. Just think for a second. I'm not here to think for you.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506052 - 04/29/03 11:08 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

i must concede that you've got me here....

i guess even within a system in which the only thing the government does is provide for defense, it is certainly possible that the cost of doing just that will be more than can be raised through non-forceful means. in that case, i suppose the only option is to force citizens to give money to the government. i don't know though... maybe someone else will have a comment on this.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: ]
    #1506068 - 04/29/03 11:13 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

But even fines and such would be considered "forceful" would they not? And what happens when the government is not able to collect enough money? Raise fines? Enact new restrictions? And how are these fines, etc. going to be collected? Who would pay the collectors? Wouldn't these "national police" be inclined to hand out more fines as it is the fines which pay their salaries? I could go on and on, but you get my point?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506076 - 04/29/03 11:19 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

yes. abolishing taxes did sound a tad radical. at the same time, taxes are really nothing more than a group of people forcefully taking money from a peaceful citizen. there's something just not right about them on a level of principle. i suppose that minimal taxes are probably necessary though even in a very minimal, non-intrusive government.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506110 - 04/29/03 11:33 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

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... how is the government going to be paying for these roads?



User fees. There is no reason that the funding for highways need to come out of the general fund. A more equitable means would be to base funding on miles driven factored with gross vehicle weight whenever one pays his yearly automobile registration. Or all taxes from gasoline (at the point of sale) go ONLY to highway construction & maintenance (not to the general fund). Also, the technology exists for electronic toll billing or debiting and is in use on several highways throughout the country - vehicles have a transponder which is tied to a user's account, whenever they pass a certain toll point their account is debited or charged.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: Evolving]
    #1506133 - 04/29/03 11:42 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

That'd be fine I suppose. Businesses would complain about it and may circumvent interstate traffic with increased rail traffic and other forms of mass transport. The burden still comes down on the general public paying for system in the form of price increases on pretty much all goods. No biggie really, though I certainly would be interested in seeing the difference in the cost to the public and whether one form is actually higher.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1506792 - 04/30/03 06:06 AM (18 years, 13 days ago)

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Businesses would complain about it and may circumvent interstate traffic with increased rail traffic and other forms of mass transport.



Sounds like a lefties dream come true.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1507353 - 04/30/03 01:04 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

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Businesses would complain about it and may circumvent interstate traffic with increased rail traffic and other forms of mass transport.



Sounds like a lefties dream come true.



For once, I agree. If it would, in fact, increase the use of mass transit, thus cutting down on pollution, then I would be all for it.


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