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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: 13shrooms]
    #15035544 - 09/05/11 10:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

correct terminology is important, a lot of people get confused because of it. I did mean gas exchange and not FAE.

I will be using postal service tyvek as it is free and I dont plan on going to Staples and spending 10 bucks on envelops.

Why not under the lid? above the lid wont work because I am using polyfill in the inoculation ports

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15035557 - 09/05/11 10:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not under the lid? above the lid wont work because I am using polyfill in the inoculation ports




nutrients from w/e is in your jar, as well as excess moisture, can get stuck in the filter much easier, making for higher risk of contams


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: MOPE]
    #15035564 - 09/05/11 10:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I just find it hard to find my inoculation port when I have the tyvek on top. Maybe I will just make my ports a little bigger and try to center them as much as possible. I really dont want to cough up money for DuPont tyvek.

Do you have any specific technique for finding your ports if they are covered with tyvek?

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez] * 1
    #15035571 - 09/05/11 10:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I just find it hard to find my inoculation port when I have the tyvek on top. Maybe I will just make my ports a little bigger and try to center them as much as possible. I really dont want to cough up money for DuPont tyvek.

Do you have any specific technique for finding your ports if they are covered with tyvek?




just cut out a tyvek circle maybe an 3/4 inch in diameter and place it on top of your lid right over the GE hole.  Then use silicone or something to secure it to the lid.  this way you use a much smaller amt of tyvek, and can easily see your inoculation port


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: MOPE]
    #15035612 - 09/05/11 10:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I am not going to be using silicon. It's just not in the cards this time around.

I will be using polyfill in the inoculation port. I think I got the idea down though. It just seems like if it is on top it wont be doing any good, but it definitely makes sense what you said about not putting it under the jar due to moisture buildup :shrug:

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: 13shrooms]
    #15036149 - 09/06/11 01:49 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I am not going to be using silicon. It's just not in the cards this time around.

I will be using polyfill in the inoculation port. I think I got the idea down though. It just seems like if it is on top it wont be doing any good, but it definitely makes sense what you said about not putting it under the jar due to moisture buildup :shrug:





If you use poly-fill as an injection port, you can also use it as a GE filter (using one or 2 holes). Silicone sure is better as an injection port, and silicone can be used to attach tyvek like described above for a better (IMO) GE filter. Pollyfill has a high success rate.



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and since [cotton]s a natural fiber it WILL harbor contams, so my :2cents: is no. :nono:




I was not saying to use the skid mark out of your cotton undies, unless you chip off the bulk of it. But really, you can use cotton, including your underwear, as a GE filter, just put the skid mark section inside the jar for the fungus to grow on, and keep the GE part reasonably dry. It will all be PC'd anyway.


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: El Douche]
    #15058503 - 09/10/11 03:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Got my polyfill today, you guys really got me wanting to buy some synthetic filter discs. I looked at mycosupply and they charge 13$ + shipping for 10 discs. That seems a bit high to me. Do you guys know anywhere that has them a bit cheaper?

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15058631 - 09/10/11 03:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I tried them a long time ago, and I prefer polyfill, or Tyvek for the cost and simplicity. Especially if you need to inject, and with G2G transfers, there is only one piece to fumble with, as opposed to the filter disk and the lid with the hole.


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: El Douche]
    #15058642 - 09/10/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I will be using tyvek under the lids and polyfill in the inoculation port. coffee filters over the lids, post-inoculation.

I want to get some better tyvek than usps quality but really dont want to spend a bunch of money on it.

Any bird seed brands that you would recommend? I know you want whatever is the most organic and has primarily millet and not a lot of sunflower seeds.

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15058703 - 09/10/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I will be using tyvek under the lids and polyfill in the inoculation port. coffee filters over the lids, post-inoculation.

I want to get some better tyvek than usps quality but really dont want to spend a bunch of money on it.

Any bird seed brands that you would recommend? I know you want whatever is the most organic and has primarily millet and not a lot of sunflower seeds.




IMO, Overkill.
I just use pollyfill. You can inject through it, or make self healing injector points - maybe 1/20 contaminate. Or, I use mail tyvek and glue it down over one hole for GE and coat another hole for an self healing injector - veryy rare contamination. 

Pennington's bird seed is great, and it has some limestone/calcium chunks, so I never supplement. ~$17 for 50#


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: El Douche]
    #15058710 - 09/10/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Id rather have a bit of overkill than risk any contam. I know USPS tyvek is pretty poor quality or else I would only use that. I will double up on the filters to hopefully eliminate any contams. I am just hoping that I get my spores and they are still alive. The temperature here in Phoenix is still around 100 each day so that is my primary concern right now

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15062185 - 09/11/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Id rather have a bit of overkill than risk any contam. I know USPS tyvek is pretty poor quality or else I would only use that. I will double up on the filters to hopefully eliminate any contams. I am just hoping that I get my spores and they are still alive. The temperature here in Phoenix is still around 100 each day so that is my primary concern right now




the coffee filters wont do anything to stop contams, the pores are way to large and contams just pass right through.  RR has said that its like trying to stop a mosquito with a chain link fence


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: MOPE]
    #15064109 - 09/11/11 06:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have heard that before actually. I probably wont use the coffee filters but I saw them in Doc's tek so I figured why not since I already have them anyways

Is it safe to PC with the polyfill already in my inoculation ports? as long as I cover the lids with 2 layers of foil? I think I would risk contam if I try adding it after I PC

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15067435 - 09/12/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You could wipe the foil with alcohol and inject straight through it, or use 2 pieces and inject through the second one. I use a $10 glovebox, so I would just inject it.

The self-healing injector ports can be made with a $3.50 tube of clear silicone from an autoparts store. I highly recommend that. They can even be pc'd in about 6 hour drying time if needed. I highly recommend this over using polyfill as an injection site, cause the polyfill has a chance of falling out when you insert the needle.


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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: El Douche]
    #15068860 - 09/12/11 04:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I just want to stick with what I got right now. I want to start PCing tomorrow.

So I it's safe to PC the Polyfill as long as I cover it with 2 sheets of foil? That's basically my plan but ive been out of the game for so long that I feel the need to double check everything for some reason

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15069114 - 09/12/11 05:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, I just want to stick with what I got right now. I want to start PCing tomorrow.

So I it's safe to PC the Polyfill as long as I cover it with 2 sheets of foil? That's basically my plan but ive been out of the game for so long that I feel the need to double check everything for some reason




yes.

and instead of polyfil for the holes on your tubs, you might look into the easy felt tek.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446#14488446

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: AnonO]
    #15069150 - 09/12/11 05:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

We arent talking about polyfill for the holes in the tub, that is 100% how it's going down on the tubs. We were discussing polyfill in the inoculation ports on the jar lids.

If you were just making a general statement then my bad. But I am used to people not reading the threads before making comments. I will check out that "Easy felt," but this time around I am definitely using polyfill since I just bought a big bag of it

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: AnonO]
    #15069221 - 09/12/11 06:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i understand that. thats why the first thing i said was me answering your question...

i mentioned the felt instead of polyfl on the tub holes just because thats what i recently switched to. i have a bunch of polyfil too but felt works just the same and its easier and cleaner to deal with. you dont have stuff stickin out the sides of the tub.

im not trying to tell you what to do. just throwing out ideas. :shrug:

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: AnonO]
    #15069295 - 09/12/11 06:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No, I certainly appreciate it. I have gotten lots of good ideas and suggestions in this thread. New products have evolved since the last time I was growing. I will definitely look into the felt, I am just sticking with the supplies that I have for this first grow and will experiment a bit more next time around.

I want to get a pack of the synthetic discs and also some plastic lids. Thanks to people suggesting them

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Re: cotton balls in place of polyfill [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #15069989 - 09/12/11 08:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Son of a motherfucker. Either I forgot to give the vendor my apartment number (I am pretty sure I did) or they forgot to put it on the package. Now I have to wait to get this all resolved. I am going to lose at least a week of time now :crankey:

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