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Where are the weapons? - Putin
    #1506426 - 04/30/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,946321,00.html

Tony Blair's first public attempt to heal the diplomatic wounds of the Iraq war suffered a humiliating rebuff yesterday when Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, refused to lift UN sanctions and mocked the possibility that weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq.

Mr Putin also clashed with Mr Blair by demanding UN weapons inspectors be allowed back into Iraq and challenged Mr Blair's vision of a new world strategic partnership, arguing it would be unacceptable for the US to dominate the international community.

The public dressing down for Mr Blair came during a 63-minute press conference staged by the two men at Mr Putin's private residence outside Moscow. The two men had a fabled special relationship and Mr Blair had high hopes he would be able to wean Mr Putin away from his new anti-war alliance with France and Germany.

Mr Putin said Russia and its partners "believe until clarity is achieved over whether weapons of mass destruction exist in Iraq, sanctions should be kept in place". Almost mocking Mr Blair, he went on: "Where is Saddam? Where are those arsenals of weapons of mass destruction, if indeed they ever existed? Perhaps Saddam is still hiding somewhere in a bunker underground, sitting on cases of weapons of mass destruction and is preparing to blow the whole thing up and bring down the lives of thousands of Iraqi people."



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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Xlea321]
    #1506502 - 04/30/03 02:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)


Putin is still a KGB asshole. And besides, the mafia, not Putin, controls Russia. He gets his marching orders from Tony Soprano.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Huxley]
    #1506753 - 04/30/03 05:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

great..... now we're pissing off Russia again..


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Xlea321]
    #1506762 - 04/30/03 05:41 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Funny how the howls of outrage over the "Iraqis dying from the sanctions" are silent when Putin wants to keep the sanctions in place.

But I expected nothing different.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1506964 - 04/30/03 09:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, politics make me sick.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: the universe]
    #1507011 - 04/30/03 09:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The day ol' Vladie over there starts lecturing the United States about just and unjust wars is the day I give up on Russia.

Honestly, if they didnt have a gazillion nukes they were ready to sell of the highest bidder unless we pay them off, I'd say fuck 'em.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1507114 - 04/30/03 11:15 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ive said all along that the Russian and French anti war stance is solely related to their own OIL interests in Iraq and has nothing to do with compassion for the Iraqi people. They are just as bad as the US and UK. All governments seem to be intrinsically evil to me!  :grin: 


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: GazzBut]
    #1507129 - 04/30/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'll completely agree that they are against war because of their huge debts to Iraq. No disagreement there. But I dont think you can, with any degree of relevency, place Russia in the same league as America, France, or the UK.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Xlea321]
    #1507199 - 04/30/03 11:58 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

so, where are the weapons?


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: grib]
    #1507208 - 04/30/03 12:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"so, where are the weapons? "

Who knows...Syria? Jordan? Iraq? Iran? Does it really matter?


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Xlea321]
    #1507210 - 04/30/03 12:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, nothing is turning up, surely a month after invasion, SOMETHING would have turned up if Iraq had these weapons in quantities that are a direct threat to our national security.


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    #1507214 - 04/30/03 12:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The weapons will end up in the country the US attacks next


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1507235 - 04/30/03 12:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

"so, where are the weapons? "

Who knows...Syria? Jordan? Iraq? Iran? Does it really matter?




Syria, etc. - that's speculation.

Does it matter? - of course it matters, WMD's was Bush's pretext for his aggression against Iraq.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: grib]
    #1507250 - 04/30/03 12:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"Does it matter? - of course it matters, WMD's was Bush's pretext for his aggression against Iraq. "

Do some research before you say silly things like that. In his State of The Union address, Bush stated *3* reasons for attacking Iraq. Not 1. 2 out of 3 aint bad, eh?


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1507301 - 04/30/03 12:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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2 out of 3 aint bad, eh?




Sorry, I'm not a statist and I will not follow someone heel to toe.

I believe that if someone is ruled by a 'brutal dictator', as bush referred to Sadam in his SotU address, that the people of the country should affect change.(for the 5Kth time I reference Serbia in 2000) The US is not the world police.

Bush's aggression against Iraq was due, as I understand it, to their 'violation' of UN res 441. That resolution dealt with the dis-arming Iraq. Bush said that Iraq was not cooperating and that was his reason for attacking Iraq.

I am waiting on the weapons. The UN inspectors were told after 5 months that their job was over because they were not finding Iraq's weapons. It's been more than one month since the US has been looking... what have they found? Nothing. About taking the weapons to Syria, etc... It doesn't seem likely due to the fact that the US military has the most advanced eyes in the sky. They can see the date on a dime from 50 miles up right?


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: grib]
    #1507386 - 04/30/03 01:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"Bush said that Iraq was not cooperating and that was his reason for attacking Iraq. "

I disagree. Where does it say this is his ONLY reason?


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1507490 - 04/30/03 02:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I disagree. Where does it say this is his ONLY reason?




I'm sure that he has a multitude of reasons, one being that the Mukhabarat attempted to assassinate his father. Whether his reasons were enough to attack a country I am in doubt. I must re-iterate: The US are not the world police and where are the weapons?

Some here have said that they will re-tract their words against Bush's aggression if they find weapons (WMD). I will not. I do not believe that weapons alone are enough. Evidence of a direct threat of use of said weapons against the United States is another matter.


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: grib]
    #1507827 - 04/30/03 03:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Does it matter? - of course it matters, WMD's was Bush's pretext for his aggression against Iraq.




Well....one of many!

-evil
-terrorism
-liberation of the iraqi people
-elimination of horrible, unhumane dictator
-protect the homefront from agencies funded by iraq
-...and last but not least!....,my personal favorite...the WMD!!!
-i think i missed a few...


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: grib]
    #1507894 - 04/30/03 04:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"I must re-iterate: The US are not the world police and where are the weapons?"

"I do not believe that weapons alone are enough."

So, are the weapons important to you, or not? I'm a tad confused...


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Re: Where are the weapons? - Putin [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1507957 - 04/30/03 04:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

So, are the weapons important to you, or not? I'm a tad confused...




Just weapons? no, not really.


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