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should all drugs be legalized?
    #15060227 - 09/10/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

should all drugs be legalized like they have been in portugal? imo, yes.
i believe it is my right for the pursuit of happiness and religious freedom to alter my conciousness if i see fit to do so. i think it is absolutely asanine to have a governmental body decide that "these drugs here are ok for you to alter your conciousness with, but with these drugs here, it's not". i think what i do in the privacy of my own home, on my own time is 100% my own business. not the government or jobs. i especially think that it is particularly arrogant to make certain plants illegal. now, i certainly think there should be an age minimum to purchase them, and i also think there should be thorough education on the dangers and effects of different drugs with facts, not  propaganda of scare stories and rhetoric. i think drugs should be legalized and taxed, and part of those taxes should go to create rehabilitation programs for addicts. believe it or not, but since portugal has legalized possesion of all drugs, drug use and addiction have actually gone down. really, this to me is more about rights that i believe are being infringed upon, than drugs. making drugs illegal sure hasn't stopped many people from taking them. i know my opinion on this is probably controversial, even for this forum. anyway, what do you guys think?


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060287 - 09/10/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You are absolutely right!!!! :thumbup: The government nor anybody on earth has any right to tell ANYONE what a person can and cannot put into their bodies. IMO it's people saying that they are more powerful than you are and enforcing that they are. There was no drug law's untill the 1930's anyway. I mean "God" made marijuana, mushrooms, salvia, and the DMT chemical that some plant's contain; and this leads to "who is man to say god is wrong" - Willy Nelson.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060419 - 09/10/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

YES! i strongly believe every drug should be legal . from marijuana to methamphetamine and heroin. i actually wrote a paper on this very subject for my English 111 class and cited Portugal's amazing model for how a government SHOULD treat its drug using citizens. got a pretty good grade for it as well if i remember correctly.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15060369

that actually reminds me that near the beginning of that class we were assigned a short process essay and i did mine of the acid/base "lemon tek" extraction for dextromethorphan. got a good grade on it as well but when i got the paper back the instructor had stapled a two page article from webmd about amphetamine addiction, not sure why amps but i did kinda look a little like skeletor at that time. she also offered me help to fight my "addictions" if i needed lol.

Anyway sorry to stray off-topic, that link is to the aforementioned short drug war paper i wrote . you are definitely not alone on this viewpoint Han Jeremy.:mushroom2:


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15060494 - 09/10/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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YES! i strongly believe every drug should be legal . from marijuana to methamphetamine and heroin. i actually wrote a paper on this very subject for my English 111 class and cited Portugal's amazing model for how a government SHOULD treat its drug using citizens. got a pretty good grade for it as well if i remember correctly.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15060369

that actually reminds me that near the beginning of that class we were assigned a short process essay and i did mine of the acid/base "lemon tek" extraction for dextromethorphan. got a good grade on it as well but when i got the paper back the instructor had stapled a two page article from webmd about amphetamine addiction, not sure why amps but i did kinda look a little like skeletor at that time. she also offered me help to fight my "addictions" if i needed lol.

Anyway sorry to stray off-topic, that link is to the aforementioned short drug war paper i wrote . you are definitely not alone on this viewpoint Han Jeremy.:mushroom2:



skeletor,lol. that was a great paper btw, i actually put in my favorites.:smile: another thing about the so called "war on drugs". what kind of country declares war on it's own citizens? and the enemy soldiers in the war are our friends, our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, grandparents, etc. in some d.a.r.e. presentations at grade schools, they take out bongs and pipes and other paraphenilia, and urge the children to turn their parents in! in those regards it really does remind me of the gestapo of nazi germany. if i want to drink drano in the privacy of my own home because i think it get's me closer to god, then damn it, leave me alone and let me be!


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060587 - 09/10/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah my mother would call me skeletor cause my cheekbones and eyes were all skull like after almost two years of IV meth use lol but anyway.... thanks for the kind words on the paper. it is truly disgusting how we and our loved ones suffer and loose our lives and what freedom we do have because of our curiosity and drive to explore our minds. i have been a drug user for a very long time and sometimes i wonder what it would be like to not have that fear of losing a family member,friend or lover. helplessness is a horrible thing.

one day i will be Portugal bound, hopefully.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15060618 - 09/10/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah my mother would call me skeletor cause my cheekbones and eyes were all skull like after almost two years of IV meth use lol but anyway.... thanks for the kind words on the paper. it is truly disgusting how we and our loved ones suffer and loose our lives and what freedom we do have because of our curiosity and drive to explore our minds. i have been a drug user for a very long time and sometimes i wonder what it would be like to not have that fear of losing a family member,friend or lover. helplessness is a horrible thing.

one day i will be Portugal bound, hopefully.




yes, i would like that or to change the laws here, but that won't happen anytime soon i'm afraid. were you able to stop your meth use? i got burnt out on it in the mid 90's and said never again. so i went and got addicted to heroin and oxycontin. but i haven't done those for a long time, i'm on a methadone clinic now, and one of the reasons i went was to keep my butt out of the old greystone hotel.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060698 - 09/10/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

nope not anytime soon but i think prop 19's exposure and the debates it sparked show that there is progress in the right direction albeit it slow. and yes i have not done any methamphetamine in roughly five months, even had a half gram in my hand a week ago and threw it back to my friend as i refused the offer politely. it started to give me mental issues so it wasn't too hard to leave it. the big psychotic episode i had really "scared me straight" and the only time in the past few months i have had a craving i simply logged on here and read the post id made about it when i was trying to figure out what was wrong with me (may this wonderful site live forever). i feel ya on the opiates too lol :tee: i love them so, especially the scag but i have to keep my shit straight with everything for the time being as i have college and a felony i am trying to get squared away to a misdemeanor . i still treat myself to a buzz once in a while though like tonight :cool: lil iv oxycodone.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15060739 - 09/11/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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nope not anytime soon but i think prop 19's exposure and the debates it sparked show that there is progress in the right direction albeit it slow. and yes i have not done any methamphetamine in roughly five months, even had a half gram in my hand a week ago and threw it back to my friend as i refused the offer politely. it started to give me mental issues so it wasn't too hard to leave it. the big psychotic episode i had really "scared me straight" and the only time in the past few months i have had a craving i simply logged on here and read the post id made about it when i was trying to figure out what was wrong with me (may this wonderful site live forever). i feel ya on the opiates too lol :tee: i love them so, especially the scag but i have to keep my shit straight with everything for the time being as i have college and a felony i am trying to get squared away to a misdemeanor . i still treat myself to a buzz once in a while though like tonight :cool: lil iv oxycodone.



what are you going to school for? yeah i'm noddin myself. if you don't mind me asking, what's your charge? btw, those instant release 30's seem to be the only ones that break down right anymore, without bullshit fillers added to them to make them gel(like the oc80's)is that what you got?


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060779 - 09/11/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i just got two perc 30's and the felony is an assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. a women i love was being naive and hanging with very horrible (one guy was a pedophile) meth heads and some things got out of hand one night. i wish i wouldn't have done it but i am not ashamed of it. certainly learned something about my own anger and just how far reaching the influence of bad social circles can go. oh and school, i am in electrical/electronics technology at my local community college. i have changed majors three times in the last year but i think i have finally found my niche or calling or whatever you want to call it. quite a natural high when you think you may have found a career you will enjoy for life.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15060828 - 09/11/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i should have known what you were into  because of that tesla coil in your pic. yep, people round here are gobblin those 30's up. i try to be as non-violent as i can, but i have a problem with pedos. if i ever catch one of them... i know i'd lose control. i have a couple pedos caddycorner form my house, man it pisses me off. they somehow have a little girl over there. i read what their crimes were and one fucked a 12 year old while he was 29, now that is just fucking sick. i have no pity for pedos, 1st offense life in prison, no parole.imo


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060871 - 09/11/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

my attitude as well, we should bring back the firing ranges in some situations lol . but yeah i am also of the chill and calm variety but love will make things very complicated and hazy. pile some ego driven tweakers and a girl that had never seen much of the darker sides of people and its all :crazy2: .

man we have really rolled off topic for this thread haha


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15060897 - 09/11/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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my attitude as well, we should bring back the firing ranges in some situations lol . but yeah i am also of the chill and calm variety but love will make things very complicated and hazy. pile some ego driven tweakers and a girl that had never seen much of the darker sides of people and its all :crazy2: .

man we have really rolled off topic for this thread haha



lol,yep. so to summarize the thread so far:
legalizing drugs = :thumbup:
pedophiles = :thumbdown:


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15060924 - 09/11/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like a success lol well it's time to get some shut eye, been good talkin to ya man.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15060933 - 09/11/11 01:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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sounds like a success lol well it's time to get some shut eye, been good talkin to ya man.



take it easy:cool:


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15061246 - 09/11/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Does that mean in portugal you can walk in to a shop and buy LSD, cocaine and ecstasy?


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15061299 - 09/11/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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nope not anytime soon but i think prop 19's exposure and the debates it sparked show that there is progress in the right direction albeit it slow. and yes i have not done any methamphetamine in roughly five months, even had a half gram in my hand a week ago and threw it back to my friend as i refused the offer politely. it started to give me mental issues so it wasn't too hard to leave it. the big psychotic episode i had really "scared me straight" and the only time in the past few months i have had a craving i simply logged on here and read the post id made about it when i was trying to figure out what was wrong with me (may this wonderful site live forever). i feel ya on the opiates too lol :tee: i love them so, especially the scag but i have to keep my shit straight with everything for the time being as i have college and a felony i am trying to get squared away to a misdemeanor . i still treat myself to a buzz once in a while though like tonight :cool: lil iv oxycodone.



Can you link to the thread that you wrote on meth?


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: sazzelb]
    #15061423 - 09/11/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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sazzelb said:
Does that mean in portugal you can walk in to a shop and buy LSD, cocaine and ecstasy?



Not at all.
It is decriminalized, not really legalized. How it works is that if you are found with "personal use" quantities of drugs, the government confiscates your supply and you get issued a summon, where you could have your rights restricted and be requested to do community service or receive treatment, and if you refuse to do them, you can be fined.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Fronnis]
    #15061876 - 09/11/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i agree. legalization, regulation, and education will benefit everyone more. canada has a clinic for shooting street drugs. they provide clean needles, have nurses on staff to help shoot correctly, etc. in the past ten years they've had 1000 overdoses and not a single death. that's quite incredible. i don't think every drug should just be sold at a gas station like tobacco and alcohol. certain drugs don't belong in the general public. i believe some of the harder drugs need to be a little harder to get but not so hard that it forces people to buy street drugs.

i just believe that it'd really do the world a favor. cleaner drugs would be less likely to overdose on. everyone would know the potency and purity of their product. it'd clean up a lot of the violence in south america and inner city-gangs. i don't see how anyone loses from it except the dumb kids who binge off shit without ever doing their research. but that's where i think education would help. and everything else would just be natural selection.

plus i would finally be able to find some real LSD!!


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #15062072 - 09/11/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes.  All I can get my hands on are cactus, shroom spores to grow shrooms, and mimosa hostilis.  These limited drugs have wreaked tremendous turmoil in my life.  If I had access to the curiously seductive world of RCs or even other more addictive drugs, I'd probably be in a terrible world of addiction and mental illness.  The drug laws, although they encourage impure drugs, misinformation, and unfairly harsh penalties, do curb drug use and their ultimate effect is a mixed bag.  I'm not sure if they are balanced toward creating more misery or preventing more misery.  From my personal perspective, the War on Drugs has helped limit my own use.  Do I need someone telling me what to do with my body?  Sadly, I guess so, because I'm too stupid to make healthy choices on my own.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15062199 - 09/11/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Most of the worst drugs they already give us all the time. In our water supply"flouride", air"aluminum chemtrails", food"MSG""sugar", drink "aspartame". Any dairy products have bad drugs in them.

  Some drugs are good for you and they don't want you healthy therefore they outlawed it.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cpw1971]
    #15062289 - 09/11/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of the worst drugs they already give us all the time. In our water supply"flouride", air"aluminum chemtrails", food"MSG""sugar", drink "aspartame". Any dairy products have bad drugs in them.

  Some drugs are good for you and they don't want you healthy therefore they outlawed it.



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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15062852 - 09/11/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes...




Maybe for you, but I know for a fact that LSD never gives me a bad trip, and my life would be much better if I had a pure, legal supply of it.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15062970 - 09/11/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes.  All I can get my hands on are cactus, shroom spores to grow shrooms, and mimosa hostilis.  These limited drugs have wreaked tremendous turmoil in my life.  If I had access to the curiously seductive world of RCs or even other more addictive drugs, I'd probably be in a terrible world of addiction and mental illness.  The drug laws, although they encourage impure drugs, misinformation, and unfairly harsh penalties, do curb drug use and their ultimate effect is a mixed bag.  I'm not sure if they are balanced toward creating more misery or preventing more misery.  From my personal perspective, the War on Drugs has helped limit my own use.  Do I need someone telling me what to do with my body?  Sadly, I guess so, because I'm too stupid to make healthy choices on my own.




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    #15063029 - 09/11/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i believe they do, hopefully whenever buds get legalized that will open a gateway for people to come to their senses.


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    #15063042 - 09/11/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes.  All I can get my hands on are cactus, shroom spores to grow shrooms, and mimosa hostilis.  These limited drugs have wreaked tremendous turmoil in my life.  If I had access to the curiously seductive world of RCs or even other more addictive drugs, I'd probably be in a terrible world of addiction and mental illness.  The drug laws, although they encourage impure drugs, misinformation, and unfairly harsh penalties, do curb drug use and their ultimate effect is a mixed bag.  I'm not sure if they are balanced toward creating more misery or preventing more misery.  From my personal perspective, the War on Drugs has helped limit my own use.  Do I need someone telling me what to do with my body?  Sadly, I guess so, because I'm too stupid to make healthy choices on my own.




natural selection. If you OD on heroin, goodbye you did your best.




sad thing is they have drugs to counteract heroin overdose, but the poor man living behind the trashcan doesn't have access to those resources. of course not, if anyone saw him he'd go to jail! so he pays with his life because he has no support


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15063109 - 09/11/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I got mixed feelings on this. Because we should be able t o do whatever we want to our bodies, and live the life we want to live.

But there are some retarded people out there, and theses people are procreating with other dumb asses which are creating degenerates. And drugs can make people crazy, which can cause them to get violent, and be a problem to society.

We all think differently, see the world differently, want different things, and have our fair share of making poor choices. So part of me wants to says no. Plus some drugs are just so bad for your health.

However, I say yes legalize it all, but if you become a danger to society, with no positive impact on life, then you shall be dragged in to the street by an angry mob of people and dealt with accordingly. Survival of the fittest.


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    #15063927 - 09/11/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

sad thing is they have drugs to counteract heroin overdose, but the poor man living behind the trashcan doesn't have access to those resources. of course not, if anyone saw him he'd go to jail! so he pays with his life because he has no support




yeah that's true, narcan(naloxone) will snap someone out of an o.d. straight away, although if they have physical dependence they're in for some hell. there's actually a program in massachusettes now where people are trained on the use of nasal inhalers of narcan to use on friends or family who are opiate users. this program has already saved an estimated 3,000 or more lives.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15064458 - 09/11/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

this has probably been said, at minimum at least drugs that naturally grow should be legalized

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    #15064500 - 09/11/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wait, Portugal legalized all drugs?


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    #15064554 - 09/11/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait, Portugal legalized all drugs?




they decriminalized them.


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    #15064565 - 09/11/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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    #15064959 - 09/11/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13465121/page/1

sorry on just now getting back to you Gilded_Star.

oh and Naloxone being mentioned reminded me that there was a post in ODD , not sure how long ago, about a guy in Massachusetts that went to his local needle exchange center and according to him they would give out or sell little kits with narcan. i believe they were little intranasal spray bottles like Vick's inhalers.


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    #15064991 - 09/11/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Holy shit!



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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13465121/page/1

sorry on just now getting back to you Gilded_Star.

oh and Naloxone being mentioned reminded me that there was a post in ODD , not sure how long ago, about a guy in Massachusetts that went to his local needle exchange center and according to him they would give out or sell little kits with narcan. i believe they were little intranasal spray bottles like Vick's inhalers.



hey what's up kaevar, yeah about the narcan,that's what i was saying a few posts ago, i didn't know they were giving them out at the exchanges though.


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    #15065425 - 09/11/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah that is definitely a good step in the right direction. to my knowledge north Carolina has no needle exchange program or at least not in my region. :frown: even worse the local pharmacies are starting to ask for prescriptions every time for rigs now. guess my towns HIV and hep. rates are gonna get a rise.


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    #15065478 - 09/11/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I agree drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, but in my opinion there are more arguments for general legalization. a person should be able to make that choice themselves. People already use all these drugs..A lot of the problems associated with drug use stem from the illegality of the drugs; a lot of the more serious problems at that.. Not to mention almost all of the problems which are not related to said legal status are already present and accepted as "worth it" in the drugs that are legal (alcohol, tobacco and the various legal substances which never achieved popularity because of their poor safety profile and/or "crappy" yet dangerous or extreme effects like nutmeg). If a person is arrested for possession now has a record and is usually less productive to society. There are people who are violent, a danger to society etc. but these people are almost always offenders of other crimes and would be anyway. People are often introduced to the "criminal scene" and other illegal activities solely from trying to get drugs, something that would never have happened if there was no need to resort to the black market. Drugs would also be much safer if they were regulated because of the standards set to the production and sale thereof. People would also be less afraid to seek help in overdose situations. There would be more control over drugs than there is now, and of course if there really was a drug that was dangerously toxic (like PMA) people would be more likely to take such substances seriously if there weren't so many other "toxic" drugs that they have used safely. The main reason for  prohibition seems to be a moral one and one of social stigma.


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    #15065518 - 09/11/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It is interesting to note that the majority the United States has existed there were not laws prohibiting using drugs etc. Actually, there was a precedent set in the early stages of prohibition attempts that said it was unconstitutional to make a law prohibiting personal drug use and personal amounts of drugs were not illegal to have, but sale was a different issue. Similar to alcohol. The laws quickly propagated in spite of the early precedent when there were other social and political interests involved besides the safety of citizens and what not.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065535 - 09/11/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah that is definitely a good step in the right direction. to my knowledge north Carolina has no needle exchange program or at least not in my region. :frown: even worse the local pharmacies are starting to ask for prescriptions every time for rigs now. guess my towns HIV and hep. rates are gonna get a rise.




that sucks, the one here is great. they don't have butterflies though and that's what i prefer. you can always do mail, it's cheap


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065548 - 09/11/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, but in my opinion there are more arguments for general legalization. a person should be able to make that choice themselves. People already use all these drugs. A lot of problems associated with drug use stem from there illegality, a person arrested for possession now has a record and is usually less productive to society. There are people who are violent, a danger to society etc. but these people are almost always offenders of other crimes and would be anyway. People are often introduced to the "criminal scene" and other illegal activities solely from trying to get drugs, something that would never have happened if there was no need to resort to the black market. Drugs would also be much safer if they were regulated because of the standards set to the production and sale thereof. People would also be less afraid to seek help in overdose situations. There would be more control over drugs than there is now, and of course if there really was a drug that was dangerously toxic (like PMA) people would be more likely to take such substances seriously if there weren't so many other "toxic" drugs that they have used safely. The main reason for  prohibition seems to be a moral one and one of social stigma.



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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065557 - 09/11/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, but in my opinion there are more arguments for general legalization. a person should be able to make that choice themselves. People already use all these drugs. A lot of problems associated with drug use stem from there illegality, a person arrested for possession now has a record and is usually less productive to society. There are people who are violent, a danger to society etc. but these people are almost always offenders of other crimes and would be anyway. People are often introduced to the "criminal scene" and other illegal activities solely from trying to get drugs, something that would never have happened if there was no need to resort to the black market. Drugs would also be much safer if they were regulated because of the standards set to the production and sale thereof. People would also be less afraid to seek help in overdose situations. There would be more control over drugs than there is now, and of course if there really was a drug that was dangerously toxic (like PMA) people would be more likely to take such substances seriously if there weren't so many other "toxic" drugs that they have used safely. The main reason for  prohibition seems to be a moral one and one of social stigma.



those are great points:smile:
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It is interesting to note that the majority the United States has existed there were not laws prohibiting using drugs etc. Actually, there was a precedent set in the early stages of prohibition attempts that said it was unconstitutional to make a law prohibiting personal drug use and personal amounts of drugs were not illegal to have, but sale was a different issue. Similar to alcohol. The laws quickly propagated in spite of the early precedent when there were other social and political interests involved besides the safety of citizens and what not.



yep. criminalization has historically had nothing to do with safety. if it did, datura  would be illegal, for example


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    #15065601 - 09/11/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I should add that when i said "the main reason for prohibition..." I actually meant the continued existence of prohibition. There are also a great many investments that have been put in to the status quo, too many people who benefit from the way things are as far as those who has the ability to directly influence such things, and a lot of resources poured into defending, upholding, and maintaining the laws. Reputations at stake..all kinds of bullshit reasons, a few sincere beliefs in the way things are, and a lot of resistance to change.


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I should add that when i said "the main reason for prohibition..." I actually meant the continued existence of prohibition. There are also a great many investments that have been put in to the status quo, too many people who benefit from the way things are as far as those who has the ability to directly influence such things, and a lot of resources poured into defending, upholding, and maintaining the laws. Reputations at stake..all kinds of bullshit reasons, a few sincere beliefs in the way things are, and a lot of resistance to change.




yes,also if you look at the prison system currently, it is shifting to being privatized. imo, this a very bad thing because it is then basically ran as a for-profit business. and what would be bad for that business? legalization of drugs, since over half of the people in prison in th u.s. are there for drugs. then in addition to that, the privately run prison system looks at rehabilitation programs as detrimental to their bottom line, since if they offer rehabilitation programs, there won't be as many "return customers".


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    #15065955 - 09/12/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was referring more to the social-political aspect. While you make a cogent point about privatized prisons running for profit etc., I don't entirely follow the connection between our posts? I would be a liar to call myself an expert on prison logistics, management, evolution and such, but I know a few things...So I cannot argue that the prison system is  not on the road to privatization, I've simply not done the research, but it is my understanding that the prison system is currently government controlled as far as the way they are conducted and handled, as well as the majority of the funds and such. It costs quite a bit of money to lock up the people convicted of petty drug crimes. Wouldn't this be counter-productive to "profiting"? Where does profit come into the detaining, feeding, and monitoring of individuals serving small time sentences?


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I was referring more to the social-political aspect. While you make a cogent point about privatized prisons running for profit etc., I don't entirely follow the connection between our posts? I would be a liar to call myself an expert on prison logistics, management, evolution and such, but I know a few things...So I cannot argue that the prison system is  not on the road to privatization, I've simply not done the research, but it is my understanding that the prison system is currently government controlled as far as the way they are conducted and handled, as well as the majority of the funds and such. It costs quite a bit of money to lock up the people convicted of petty drug crimes. Wouldn't this be counter-productive to "profiting"? Where does profit come into the detaining, feeding, and monitoring of individuals serving small time sentences?[/quote

many states have started contracting with private companies not only to build and maintain prisons, but to also design them. the design of choice seems to be the super max prison, which most psychologist have deemed detrimental to the prisoners longer term health. in a super max, the prisoners are baically warehoused. let out of their cells one hour a day. one 15 minute shower a week. no window. not facing any other cells. this leads inevitably to psychosis, and the prisoner has long term damage from the imprisonment. when they get out, they are VERY paranoid, since their system is just suddenly bombarded with stimuli. most can't handle that and end up with a very high recitivism rate. my point is, it is going from what was once a not for profit state run facility, to a privately owned, for profit contractor. this is very dangerous since the privately owned company will almost surely get more contracts as they keep deigning and building more prisons. the more people that get sentenced to prison, the more money they  have to make. this not only gives them a powerful lobby for their own interests but as in legal interests too, since the more authoritarian the gov't is, the more dough they are going to make.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? (moved) [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15066172 - 09/12/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

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Belongs here as the Psychedelic Experience isn't the place to discuss drug law reform.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15232836 - 10/16/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think a simple way to look at it is this: The law should only be concerned with protecting against infringements upon liberty. You can do whatever the hell you like, so long as you do no direct intentional harm to others. Somehow the rights of folk to not be offended seem to carry a lot of weight. It should be our duty to not take offense... otherwise you may as well wave goodbye to the free world.

1. drug law reform has been proven succesful.
2. fears of pontential social decay have been proven unwarranted.
3. drugs arent really anything to be worried about. Its people who destroy lives.
4. the case against prohibition is broad and backed up by evidence and expert advice.
5. the case against for prohibition is.... drugs are bad, mmmkay.

Seriously though, the case for prohibition is empty, ignorant of facts and seems to be propagated through widespread misinformation. Moreover, any reasonable evidence on this side ONLY serves as reasons not to do drugs. Rather than as evidence for why prohibition itself is necessary or well advised.

The evidence suggests that the bulk of recreational drugs are relatively harmless if used responcibly. Just like alcohol. This being said, you would think prohibition is still for the greater good, but on the contrary it is destructive and a terrible waste of resources. But nomatter how well the rational argument for reform stacks up, there is still a resistance from the ignorant. What is it?

What is it indeed.....

Is it because the lawmakers are themselves just... square? Jelous because they will never be a part of all that?

Is it fear of God? do the masses of brainwashed followers just think drugs are the tool of Satan?

Is it because the misinformation of the anti drug movement has ingrained such a negative stigma on drug use, to the point where it is politically impossible have a rational, evidence based point of view. To be fair, any politician that opposes the stubborn, hardline position, may as well just say they like to rape old ladies at the weekend.... does this make progress impossible?

Or is it something more sinister, beyond ignorance. Malevolence? Is it because drug money has more power than your average voter?

This issue bothers me way more than it should. Not because I want drugs to be legal. Not because I think prohibition is rediculous. But because it shouldnt even be an issue in the first place.

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    #15698320 - 01/21/12 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

No, I don't think all drugs should be legal.  I know what you mean, narcotic and pleasure seeking drugs - yes, all of them should be legal.  But antibiotic drugs and the like do pose a real public health hazard and should be regulated.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: DieCommie]
    #15742202 - 01/31/12 10:59 AM (12 years, 3 hours ago)

The bottom line is that the drug war is a tool used by government to sepererate those who question their athourity from those who dont. It'a all about power, in particular playing god.

The government is saying: Surrender your mind and obey us for OUR PERSONAL GAIN, or choose to qustion us and WE WILL KILL YOU. If we CATCH YOU we will take your life away, render you almost useless to our society, do our best to force you into a crimainal caste by denial of benifits like student financial aid, blame drug XYZ for the problem WE, OURSELVES created, and use you as an example to intimidate others to obey us without question. Our goal is to make human life a COMMODITY asset that can be bought and sold. You are LIVESTCK!

Sounds like the US government wants to pretend to be the Biblical God by creating a Satanic garden of eden with the drugs as the forbidden fruit. It shall soon come to pass that the US governments and forced world policies are in vain, They are NOT GOD. Pride comes before a fall. That fall will come very soon.


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