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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cpw1971]
    #15062289 - 09/11/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of the worst drugs they already give us all the time. In our water supply"flouride", air"aluminum chemtrails", food"MSG""sugar", drink "aspartame". Any dairy products have bad drugs in them.

  Some drugs are good for you and they don't want you healthy therefore they outlawed it.



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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15062852 - 09/11/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes...




Maybe for you, but I know for a fact that LSD never gives me a bad trip, and my life would be much better if I had a pure, legal supply of it.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15062970 - 09/11/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes.  All I can get my hands on are cactus, shroom spores to grow shrooms, and mimosa hostilis.  These limited drugs have wreaked tremendous turmoil in my life.  If I had access to the curiously seductive world of RCs or even other more addictive drugs, I'd probably be in a terrible world of addiction and mental illness.  The drug laws, although they encourage impure drugs, misinformation, and unfairly harsh penalties, do curb drug use and their ultimate effect is a mixed bag.  I'm not sure if they are balanced toward creating more misery or preventing more misery.  From my personal perspective, the War on Drugs has helped limit my own use.  Do I need someone telling me what to do with my body?  Sadly, I guess so, because I'm too stupid to make healthy choices on my own.




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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Smawrpg]
    #15063029 - 09/11/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i believe they do, hopefully whenever buds get legalized that will open a gateway for people to come to their senses.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Smawrpg]
    #15063042 - 09/11/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes.  All I can get my hands on are cactus, shroom spores to grow shrooms, and mimosa hostilis.  These limited drugs have wreaked tremendous turmoil in my life.  If I had access to the curiously seductive world of RCs or even other more addictive drugs, I'd probably be in a terrible world of addiction and mental illness.  The drug laws, although they encourage impure drugs, misinformation, and unfairly harsh penalties, do curb drug use and their ultimate effect is a mixed bag.  I'm not sure if they are balanced toward creating more misery or preventing more misery.  From my personal perspective, the War on Drugs has helped limit my own use.  Do I need someone telling me what to do with my body?  Sadly, I guess so, because I'm too stupid to make healthy choices on my own.




natural selection. If you OD on heroin, goodbye you did your best.




sad thing is they have drugs to counteract heroin overdose, but the poor man living behind the trashcan doesn't have access to those resources. of course not, if anyone saw him he'd go to jail! so he pays with his life because he has no support


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15063109 - 09/11/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I got mixed feelings on this. Because we should be able t o do whatever we want to our bodies, and live the life we want to live.

But there are some retarded people out there, and theses people are procreating with other dumb asses which are creating degenerates. And drugs can make people crazy, which can cause them to get violent, and be a problem to society.

We all think differently, see the world differently, want different things, and have our fair share of making poor choices. So part of me wants to says no. Plus some drugs are just so bad for your health.

However, I say yes legalize it all, but if you become a danger to society, with no positive impact on life, then you shall be dragged in to the street by an angry mob of people and dealt with accordingly. Survival of the fittest.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #15063927 - 09/11/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

sad thing is they have drugs to counteract heroin overdose, but the poor man living behind the trashcan doesn't have access to those resources. of course not, if anyone saw him he'd go to jail! so he pays with his life because he has no support




yeah that's true, narcan(naloxone) will snap someone out of an o.d. straight away, although if they have physical dependence they're in for some hell. there's actually a program in massachusettes now where people are trained on the use of nasal inhalers of narcan to use on friends or family who are opiate users. this program has already saved an estimated 3,000 or more lives.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15064458 - 09/11/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

this has probably been said, at minimum at least drugs that naturally grow should be legalized

i can't wrap my head around making something illegal that grows naturally


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: JaffyJaffar]
    #15064500 - 09/11/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wait, Portugal legalized all drugs?


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: LayinUp]
    #15064554 - 09/11/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait, Portugal legalized all drugs?




they decriminalized them.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15064565 - 09/11/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit!


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Gilded_Star]
    #15064959 - 09/11/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13465121/page/1

sorry on just now getting back to you Gilded_Star.

oh and Naloxone being mentioned reminded me that there was a post in ODD , not sure how long ago, about a guy in Massachusetts that went to his local needle exchange center and according to him they would give out or sell little kits with narcan. i believe they were little intranasal spray bottles like Vick's inhalers.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15064991 - 09/11/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Holy shit!



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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13465121/page/1

sorry on just now getting back to you Gilded_Star.

oh and Naloxone being mentioned reminded me that there was a post in ODD , not sure how long ago, about a guy in Massachusetts that went to his local needle exchange center and according to him they would give out or sell little kits with narcan. i believe they were little intranasal spray bottles like Vick's inhalers.



hey what's up kaevar, yeah about the narcan,that's what i was saying a few posts ago, i didn't know they were giving them out at the exchanges though.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15065425 - 09/11/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah that is definitely a good step in the right direction. to my knowledge north Carolina has no needle exchange program or at least not in my region. :frown: even worse the local pharmacies are starting to ask for prescriptions every time for rigs now. guess my towns HIV and hep. rates are gonna get a rise.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
    #15065478 - 09/11/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I agree drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, but in my opinion there are more arguments for general legalization. a person should be able to make that choice themselves. People already use all these drugs..A lot of the problems associated with drug use stem from the illegality of the drugs; a lot of the more serious problems at that.. Not to mention almost all of the problems which are not related to said legal status are already present and accepted as "worth it" in the drugs that are legal (alcohol, tobacco and the various legal substances which never achieved popularity because of their poor safety profile and/or "crappy" yet dangerous or extreme effects like nutmeg). If a person is arrested for possession now has a record and is usually less productive to society. There are people who are violent, a danger to society etc. but these people are almost always offenders of other crimes and would be anyway. People are often introduced to the "criminal scene" and other illegal activities solely from trying to get drugs, something that would never have happened if there was no need to resort to the black market. Drugs would also be much safer if they were regulated because of the standards set to the production and sale thereof. People would also be less afraid to seek help in overdose situations. There would be more control over drugs than there is now, and of course if there really was a drug that was dangerously toxic (like PMA) people would be more likely to take such substances seriously if there weren't so many other "toxic" drugs that they have used safely. The main reason for  prohibition seems to be a moral one and one of social stigma.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065518 - 09/11/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It is interesting to note that the majority the United States has existed there were not laws prohibiting using drugs etc. Actually, there was a precedent set in the early stages of prohibition attempts that said it was unconstitutional to make a law prohibiting personal drug use and personal amounts of drugs were not illegal to have, but sale was a different issue. Similar to alcohol. The laws quickly propagated in spite of the early precedent when there were other social and political interests involved besides the safety of citizens and what not.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065535 - 09/11/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah that is definitely a good step in the right direction. to my knowledge north Carolina has no needle exchange program or at least not in my region. :frown: even worse the local pharmacies are starting to ask for prescriptions every time for rigs now. guess my towns HIV and hep. rates are gonna get a rise.




that sucks, the one here is great. they don't have butterflies though and that's what i prefer. you can always do mail, it's cheap


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065548 - 09/11/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, but in my opinion there are more arguments for general legalization. a person should be able to make that choice themselves. People already use all these drugs. A lot of problems associated with drug use stem from there illegality, a person arrested for possession now has a record and is usually less productive to society. There are people who are violent, a danger to society etc. but these people are almost always offenders of other crimes and would be anyway. People are often introduced to the "criminal scene" and other illegal activities solely from trying to get drugs, something that would never have happened if there was no need to resort to the black market. Drugs would also be much safer if they were regulated because of the standards set to the production and sale thereof. People would also be less afraid to seek help in overdose situations. There would be more control over drugs than there is now, and of course if there really was a drug that was dangerously toxic (like PMA) people would be more likely to take such substances seriously if there weren't so many other "toxic" drugs that they have used safely. The main reason for  prohibition seems to be a moral one and one of social stigma.



those are great points:smile:


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065557 - 09/11/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree drugs should be at the very least decriminalized, but in my opinion there are more arguments for general legalization. a person should be able to make that choice themselves. People already use all these drugs. A lot of problems associated with drug use stem from there illegality, a person arrested for possession now has a record and is usually less productive to society. There are people who are violent, a danger to society etc. but these people are almost always offenders of other crimes and would be anyway. People are often introduced to the "criminal scene" and other illegal activities solely from trying to get drugs, something that would never have happened if there was no need to resort to the black market. Drugs would also be much safer if they were regulated because of the standards set to the production and sale thereof. People would also be less afraid to seek help in overdose situations. There would be more control over drugs than there is now, and of course if there really was a drug that was dangerously toxic (like PMA) people would be more likely to take such substances seriously if there weren't so many other "toxic" drugs that they have used safely. The main reason for  prohibition seems to be a moral one and one of social stigma.



those are great points:smile:
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It is interesting to note that the majority the United States has existed there were not laws prohibiting using drugs etc. Actually, there was a precedent set in the early stages of prohibition attempts that said it was unconstitutional to make a law prohibiting personal drug use and personal amounts of drugs were not illegal to have, but sale was a different issue. Similar to alcohol. The laws quickly propagated in spite of the early precedent when there were other social and political interests involved besides the safety of citizens and what not.



yep. criminalization has historically had nothing to do with safety. if it did, datura  would be illegal, for example


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15065601 - 09/11/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I should add that when i said "the main reason for prohibition..." I actually meant the continued existence of prohibition. There are also a great many investments that have been put in to the status quo, too many people who benefit from the way things are as far as those who has the ability to directly influence such things, and a lot of resources poured into defending, upholding, and maintaining the laws. Reputations at stake..all kinds of bullshit reasons, a few sincere beliefs in the way things are, and a lot of resistance to change.


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