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should all drugs be legalized?
#15060227 - 09/10/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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should all drugs be legalized like they have been in portugal? imo, yes. i believe it is my right for the pursuit of happiness and religious freedom to alter my conciousness if i see fit to do so. i think it is absolutely asanine to have a governmental body decide that "these drugs here are ok for you to alter your conciousness with, but with these drugs here, it's not". i think what i do in the privacy of my own home, on my own time is 100% my own business. not the government or jobs. i especially think that it is particularly arrogant to make certain plants illegal. now, i certainly think there should be an age minimum to purchase them, and i also think there should be thorough education on the dangers and effects of different drugs with facts, not propaganda of scare stories and rhetoric. i think drugs should be legalized and taxed, and part of those taxes should go to create rehabilitation programs for addicts. believe it or not, but since portugal has legalized possesion of all drugs, drug use and addiction have actually gone down. really, this to me is more about rights that i believe are being infringed upon, than drugs. making drugs illegal sure hasn't stopped many people from taking them. i know my opinion on this is probably controversial, even for this forum. anyway, what do you guys think?
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060287 - 09/10/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are absolutely right!!!! The government nor anybody on earth has any right to tell ANYONE what a person can and cannot put into their bodies. IMO it's people saying that they are more powerful than you are and enforcing that they are. There was no drug law's untill the 1930's anyway. I mean "God" made marijuana, mushrooms, salvia, and the DMT chemical that some plant's contain; and this leads to "who is man to say god is wrong" - Willy Nelson.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060419 - 09/10/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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YES! i strongly believe every drug should be legal . from marijuana to methamphetamine and heroin. i actually wrote a paper on this very subject for my English 111 class and cited Portugal's amazing model for how a government SHOULD treat its drug using citizens. got a pretty good grade for it as well if i remember correctly.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15060369
that actually reminds me that near the beginning of that class we were assigned a short process essay and i did mine of the acid/base "lemon tek" extraction for dextromethorphan. got a good grade on it as well but when i got the paper back the instructor had stapled a two page article from webmd about amphetamine addiction, not sure why amps but i did kinda look a little like skeletor at that time. she also offered me help to fight my "addictions" if i needed lol.
Anyway sorry to stray off-topic, that link is to the aforementioned short drug war paper i wrote . you are definitely not alone on this viewpoint Han Jeremy.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15060494 - 09/10/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kaevar said: YES! i strongly believe every drug should be legal . from marijuana to methamphetamine and heroin. i actually wrote a paper on this very subject for my English 111 class and cited Portugal's amazing model for how a government SHOULD treat its drug using citizens. got a pretty good grade for it as well if i remember correctly.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15060369
that actually reminds me that near the beginning of that class we were assigned a short process essay and i did mine of the acid/base "lemon tek" extraction for dextromethorphan. got a good grade on it as well but when i got the paper back the instructor had stapled a two page article from webmd about amphetamine addiction, not sure why amps but i did kinda look a little like skeletor at that time. she also offered me help to fight my "addictions" if i needed lol.
Anyway sorry to stray off-topic, that link is to the aforementioned short drug war paper i wrote . you are definitely not alone on this viewpoint Han Jeremy.
skeletor,lol. that was a great paper btw, i actually put in my favorites. another thing about the so called "war on drugs". what kind of country declares war on it's own citizens? and the enemy soldiers in the war are our friends, our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, grandparents, etc. in some d.a.r.e. presentations at grade schools, they take out bongs and pipes and other paraphenilia, and urge the children to turn their parents in! in those regards it really does remind me of the gestapo of nazi germany. if i want to drink drano in the privacy of my own home because i think it get's me closer to god, then damn it, leave me alone and let me be!
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060587 - 09/10/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah my mother would call me skeletor cause my cheekbones and eyes were all skull like after almost two years of IV meth use lol but anyway.... thanks for the kind words on the paper. it is truly disgusting how we and our loved ones suffer and loose our lives and what freedom we do have because of our curiosity and drive to explore our minds. i have been a drug user for a very long time and sometimes i wonder what it would be like to not have that fear of losing a family member,friend or lover. helplessness is a horrible thing.
one day i will be Portugal bound, hopefully.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15060618 - 09/10/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kaevar said: Yeah my mother would call me skeletor cause my cheekbones and eyes were all skull like after almost two years of IV meth use lol but anyway.... thanks for the kind words on the paper. it is truly disgusting how we and our loved ones suffer and loose our lives and what freedom we do have because of our curiosity and drive to explore our minds. i have been a drug user for a very long time and sometimes i wonder what it would be like to not have that fear of losing a family member,friend or lover. helplessness is a horrible thing.
one day i will be Portugal bound, hopefully.
yes, i would like that or to change the laws here, but that won't happen anytime soon i'm afraid. were you able to stop your meth use? i got burnt out on it in the mid 90's and said never again. so i went and got addicted to heroin and oxycontin. but i haven't done those for a long time, i'm on a methadone clinic now, and one of the reasons i went was to keep my butt out of the old greystone hotel.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060698 - 09/10/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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nope not anytime soon but i think prop 19's exposure and the debates it sparked show that there is progress in the right direction albeit it slow. and yes i have not done any methamphetamine in roughly five months, even had a half gram in my hand a week ago and threw it back to my friend as i refused the offer politely. it started to give me mental issues so it wasn't too hard to leave it. the big psychotic episode i had really "scared me straight" and the only time in the past few months i have had a craving i simply logged on here and read the post id made about it when i was trying to figure out what was wrong with me (may this wonderful site live forever). i feel ya on the opiates too lol i love them so, especially the scag but i have to keep my shit straight with everything for the time being as i have college and a felony i am trying to get squared away to a misdemeanor . i still treat myself to a buzz once in a while though like tonight lil iv oxycodone.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15060739 - 09/11/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kaevar said: nope not anytime soon but i think prop 19's exposure and the debates it sparked show that there is progress in the right direction albeit it slow. and yes i have not done any methamphetamine in roughly five months, even had a half gram in my hand a week ago and threw it back to my friend as i refused the offer politely. it started to give me mental issues so it wasn't too hard to leave it. the big psychotic episode i had really "scared me straight" and the only time in the past few months i have had a craving i simply logged on here and read the post id made about it when i was trying to figure out what was wrong with me (may this wonderful site live forever). i feel ya on the opiates too lol i love them so, especially the scag but i have to keep my shit straight with everything for the time being as i have college and a felony i am trying to get squared away to a misdemeanor . i still treat myself to a buzz once in a while though like tonight lil iv oxycodone.
what are you going to school for? yeah i'm noddin myself. if you don't mind me asking, what's your charge? btw, those instant release 30's seem to be the only ones that break down right anymore, without bullshit fillers added to them to make them gel(like the oc80's)is that what you got?
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060779 - 09/11/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i just got two perc 30's and the felony is an assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. a women i love was being naive and hanging with very horrible (one guy was a pedophile) meth heads and some things got out of hand one night. i wish i wouldn't have done it but i am not ashamed of it. certainly learned something about my own anger and just how far reaching the influence of bad social circles can go. oh and school, i am in electrical/electronics technology at my local community college. i have changed majors three times in the last year but i think i have finally found my niche or calling or whatever you want to call it. quite a natural high when you think you may have found a career you will enjoy for life.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15060828 - 09/11/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i should have known what you were into because of that tesla coil in your pic. yep, people round here are gobblin those 30's up. i try to be as non-violent as i can, but i have a problem with pedos. if i ever catch one of them... i know i'd lose control. i have a couple pedos caddycorner form my house, man it pisses me off. they somehow have a little girl over there. i read what their crimes were and one fucked a 12 year old while he was 29, now that is just fucking sick. i have no pity for pedos, 1st offense life in prison, no parole.imo
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060871 - 09/11/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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my attitude as well, we should bring back the firing ranges in some situations lol . but yeah i am also of the chill and calm variety but love will make things very complicated and hazy. pile some ego driven tweakers and a girl that had never seen much of the darker sides of people and its all .
man we have really rolled off topic for this thread haha
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15060897 - 09/11/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kaevar said: my attitude as well, we should bring back the firing ranges in some situations lol . but yeah i am also of the chill and calm variety but love will make things very complicated and hazy. pile some ego driven tweakers and a girl that had never seen much of the darker sides of people and its all .
man we have really rolled off topic for this thread haha
lol,yep. so to summarize the thread so far: legalizing drugs =  pedophiles =
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15060924 - 09/11/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds like a success lol well it's time to get some shut eye, been good talkin to ya man.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15060933 - 09/11/11 01:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kaevar said: sounds like a success lol well it's time to get some shut eye, been good talkin to ya man.
take it easy
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
#15061246 - 09/11/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does that mean in portugal you can walk in to a shop and buy LSD, cocaine and ecstasy?
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Kaevar]
#15061299 - 09/11/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kaevar said: nope not anytime soon but i think prop 19's exposure and the debates it sparked show that there is progress in the right direction albeit it slow. and yes i have not done any methamphetamine in roughly five months, even had a half gram in my hand a week ago and threw it back to my friend as i refused the offer politely. it started to give me mental issues so it wasn't too hard to leave it. the big psychotic episode i had really "scared me straight" and the only time in the past few months i have had a craving i simply logged on here and read the post id made about it when i was trying to figure out what was wrong with me (may this wonderful site live forever). i feel ya on the opiates too lol i love them so, especially the scag but i have to keep my shit straight with everything for the time being as i have college and a felony i am trying to get squared away to a misdemeanor . i still treat myself to a buzz once in a while though like tonight lil iv oxycodone.
Can you link to the thread that you wrote on meth?
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: sazzelb]
#15061423 - 09/11/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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sazzelb said: Does that mean in portugal you can walk in to a shop and buy LSD, cocaine and ecstasy?
Not at all. It is decriminalized, not really legalized. How it works is that if you are found with "personal use" quantities of drugs, the government confiscates your supply and you get issued a summon, where you could have your rights restricted and be requested to do community service or receive treatment, and if you refuse to do them, you can be fined.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Fronnis]
#15061876 - 09/11/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree. legalization, regulation, and education will benefit everyone more. canada has a clinic for shooting street drugs. they provide clean needles, have nurses on staff to help shoot correctly, etc. in the past ten years they've had 1000 overdoses and not a single death. that's quite incredible. i don't think every drug should just be sold at a gas station like tobacco and alcohol. certain drugs don't belong in the general public. i believe some of the harder drugs need to be a little harder to get but not so hard that it forces people to buy street drugs.
i just believe that it'd really do the world a favor. cleaner drugs would be less likely to overdose on. everyone would know the potency and purity of their product. it'd clean up a lot of the violence in south america and inner city-gangs. i don't see how anyone loses from it except the dumb kids who binge off shit without ever doing their research. but that's where i think education would help. and everything else would just be natural selection.
plus i would finally be able to find some real LSD!!
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Legal boundaries and their potential consequences have certainly been instrumental in curbing my own use and probably saving me from nightmarish and terrible outcomes. All I can get my hands on are cactus, shroom spores to grow shrooms, and mimosa hostilis. These limited drugs have wreaked tremendous turmoil in my life. If I had access to the curiously seductive world of RCs or even other more addictive drugs, I'd probably be in a terrible world of addiction and mental illness. The drug laws, although they encourage impure drugs, misinformation, and unfairly harsh penalties, do curb drug use and their ultimate effect is a mixed bag. I'm not sure if they are balanced toward creating more misery or preventing more misery. From my personal perspective, the War on Drugs has helped limit my own use. Do I need someone telling me what to do with my body? Sadly, I guess so, because I'm too stupid to make healthy choices on my own.
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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: joemolloy]
#15062199 - 09/11/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most of the worst drugs they already give us all the time. In our water supply"flouride", air"aluminum chemtrails", food"MSG""sugar", drink "aspartame". Any dairy products have bad drugs in them.
Some drugs are good for you and they don't want you healthy therefore they outlawed it.
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