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OfflineCeeEssGee
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: grib]
    #1507809 - 04/30/03 01:35 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"Didn't the Zionists (read: Israelis) steal the land from the Palestinians with the help of the British Empire? If that is the case, haven't the Palestinians taken $h!t for too long? Suicide bombings targeting civilians is wrong. On the other side, targeting soldiers would seem to be legitimate military targets. "

Actually, they claimed empty swamp land, and cleaned it out. When they took it, no one was inhabiting it. It wasn't until after they cleaned it up and inhabited that the surrounding area started bitching.


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OfflineCeeEssGee
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: GazzBut]
    #1507824 - 04/30/03 01:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"People who make statements like:

"The Israelis took their shit for too long."

Normally havent taken the time or trouble to discover the ins and outs of the situation. Then also normally bleat on about UN resolutions relating to Iraq blissfully unaware of the hypocrisy they are spouting! "

People who make statements like this do not actually want to back up what they say, just incite a flame war, because they disagree. I have taken the time, even visited Israel, and I know that Israel is not blameless, nor are their opposition, but Israel did very little for a long time. Look, Israel has the power to spread...fast. The US wouldn't be able to stop them. They are going easy, considering what they can very well do, and what certainly is warranted.


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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1507975 - 04/30/03 02:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Actually, they claimed empty swamp land, and cleaned it out. When they took it, no one was inhabiting it. It wasn't until after they cleaned it up and inhabited that the surrounding area started bitching.





Using that logic: I should be able to go and claim un-used land too. Ownership doesn't matter. Correct?


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Invisiblewingnutx

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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1508073 - 04/30/03 02:55 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Here's one of the victims. She was cute.



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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: wingnutx]
    #1508079 - 04/30/03 02:56 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I could post common pictures of Palestinian babies outside their homes demolished by Israel, lines of Palestinian men unable to work because Israel wont let them past the border, and Palestinian boys dead from Israeli rifles. Whats the point?


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OfflineDogomush
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1508122 - 04/30/03 03:08 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Imagine France saying "Well, there's a big pocket of unused land in the USA. Let's create a new country there for ethnic group X cause we decide they need a new home." Funny shit.


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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Dogomush]
    #1508136 - 04/30/03 03:12 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Not so much a new country, since Israel existed way the fuck back in the day. But its silly to create an enclave for Jews in a place with such hostility to Jews. The Jews are Stubborn, the Palestinians are Angry AND Stubborn, and nobody will give...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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OfflineDogomush
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1508334 - 04/30/03 04:06 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

yeah that's true.. they did used to have a country.. so how about giving native americans their own state, beyond a simple reservation.

The Haida would like to do that in Canada.. they're trying to get the Queen Charlotte Islands for themselves. That would be cool.


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Invisiblewingnutx

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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1508345 - 04/30/03 04:08 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think Palestinian boys are cute.


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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Dogomush]
    #1508496 - 04/30/03 04:51 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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yeah that's true.. they did used to have a country.. so how about giving native americans their own state, beyond a simple reservation.



Maybe the Palestinians should learn from the Native Americans and set up a bunch of Casinos.


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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: silversoul7]
    #1508521 - 04/30/03 04:57 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"Maybe the Palestinians should learn from the Native Americans and set up a bunch of Casinos. "

Only in America, does money heal all wounds.....



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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1508817 - 04/30/03 06:55 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Not so much a new country, since Israel existed way the fuck back in the day. But its silly to create an enclave for Jews in a place with such hostility to Jews. The Jews are Stubborn, the Palestinians are Angry AND Stubborn, and nobody will give...




There isn't a hostility embeded in the culture of Arab people. Long ago, decades before the actual creation of Israel Arabs and Jews would live in peace together, infact they were united by their "hatred" for the British. But as it became more and more apparent that a Jewish state would be created in Palestine, the shit slowly started to hit the fan.


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Dogomush]
    #1509892 - 05/01/03 12:24 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

yeah that's true.. they did used to have a country.. so how about giving native americans their own state, beyond a simple reservation.

Even better why not give the Israeli's a state in America where they could live in peace instead of the middle east?


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1510305 - 05/01/03 02:23 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Even if it was directed in some way, would you still say it was fair to bulldoze down the house of a bombers family?


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yes. see my previous post when ans where i think it's appropriate. They are being bombed often and it's a war after all.





Well Inny it isnt directed anyway and it has alot to do with expanding illegal Jewish settlements. Do you still agree with it?

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I never said ALL. In the future when i'm discussing Muslims or palastinians, i'm referring to those that would be nutty enough to becoime an extremist.





In future when referring to Americans I am referring to those who are members of the KKK. Get it?


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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: wingnutx]
    #1510485 - 05/01/03 04:57 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Shall we drag out some pictures of palestinian children who have been killed by Israelis terrorists? yawn....


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1510487 - 05/01/03 04:58 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Not so much a new country, since Israel existed way the fuck back in the day.




Yes but it wasnt populated by Europeans and Americans as it is now. Thats the salient point people seem to miss when they use that arguement to justify Israel's "rights".


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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: GazzBut]
    #1510497 - 05/01/03 05:06 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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In future when referring to Americans I am referring to those who are members of the KKK




that made absolutly no sense.


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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1510548 - 05/01/03 06:24 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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IF people think that Israel is to blame, they need to read the details of the Clinton lead peace talks. The Palestineans were going to be granted EVERY SINGLE concession they asked for, except having total control fo Jerusalem.




I think you will find the peace deal did not return the borders to those pre-1967. If Arafat had accepted that he would have been seen as weak by his people. If he was really awkward he could ask for the borders to be returned to those of 1948.


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1510552 - 05/01/03 06:28 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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People who make statements like this do not actually want to back up what they say,




When did Israel first take Palestinian land that was not theirs to take under international law?

Ive been to Greece but I know little of their political situation.....

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They are going easy, considering what they can very well do, and what certainly is warranted.







Sounds like a threat. Would you care to expand on that?


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Another suicide bombing [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1510555 - 05/01/03 06:29 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"In the future when i'm discussing Muslims or palastinians, i'm referring to those that would be nutty enough to becoime an extremist."

Do you even realise how you self program yourself with ill thought out statements like that?


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