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indica
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i play multiple instruments
i tried my hand at dj'ing for a while there, i think i got kind of ok.
it is a skill, and it is truly an artform to put together a really good mix/set.
One example is Jooris Voorn's Balance 014. That is one of the most amazing pieces of DJ work I can think of, and there are many more. Even ambient dj's, Sebastian Mullaert for example (Minilogue)
I think there are different levels of skill when it comes to DJ's, I think a lot of the simpler forms like electro/hardhouse all that shit are pretty simple and mindless, the key about DJ's becoming big is more about consistency than it is about skill.
A lot of international DJ's are producers as well, but rely more on their DJing. It's fun, and it takes a bit to read a crowd and know the track to drop next, beatmatching, keys, all the rest of it
but all that can be done automatically from software these days anyway.
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Edited by mrckb (09/08/11 01:54 AM)
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: mrckb]
#15046225 - 09/08/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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FUCK YEAH, FUCKING LOVE THAT VIDEO!
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: mrckb]
#15046228 - 09/08/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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that's not "DJ"ing in the traditional sense
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: indica]
#15046232 - 09/08/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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does OP understand what music is? apparently not.
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: Aedan]
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FractalDust said: Turntables are just as much an instrument as a guitar or piano.
LOL
No, definitely not.
You've probably never tried to learn turntablism, it's fucking hard.
You've probably never tried to learn the piano or guitar, it's way fucking harder. Considering what you can do with them musically is infinitely > a turntable.
LOL electronic music is superior to your guitars man. Digital owns analogue.
And that guy with the turntables (DJ Kentaro) seems good but the whole thing sounded like shit to me. Most music does anyway but yeah he is good !
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: indica]
#15046237 - 09/08/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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indica said: that's not "DJ"ing in the traditional sense
Id say thats pretty much djing. Sure he isnt letting each song play out before playing another but hes mixing multiple songs to make one great one.
Also, this thread is just one big 'my instruments are harder than yours, therefore better'. Get fucked.
Edited by mrckb (09/08/11 02:04 AM)
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other dj kentaro:
i like this^^
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LoveYourLife said: I know how difficult they are. Your unwillingness to admit the difficulty of GOOD turntablism is what makes you ignorant.
I was simply replying to the comment stating turntables are as much of an instrument as a guitar and piano. Turntables are for mixing/looping/scratching and not playing music. Not even the same.
Then again the "good turntablism" still sounds like shit to me but that's just my opinion.
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: mrckb]
#15046243 - 09/08/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does that make me a DJ
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: Aedan]
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LoveYourLife said: I know how difficult they are. Your unwillingness to admit the difficulty of GOOD turntablism is what makes you ignorant.
I was simply replying to the comment stating turntables are as much of an instrument as a guitar and piano. Turntables are for mixing/looping/scratching and not playing music. Not even the same.
Then again the "good turntablism" still sounds like shit to me but that's just my opinion.
doesn't understand music.
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by the way OP,
you seem frustrated by the idea that music can be made with a computer. you make a naive claim that a DJ does not study nor perfect his music (), ever tried mixing music with abletonlive? it isn't just point and click. even moreso difficult, to mix something that is original and worthy of playing.
most guitar language is based off the 7bar blues. most guitar theory and languages were developed by someone who isnt you.
the art of DJing, Mixing, Producing, etc is fairly new. New codes and languages to mix and produce are constantly coming out, many of them being engineered by the DJs themselves. The innovation and creativity that goes into this is enormous, have you ever heard of DJ Shadow, are you trying to tell me that he isn't a musician? that endtroducing is not art?
a musician is someone who creates music. DJs create music. it's really as simple as that. is a photographer an artist because he/she isn't using a brush and paint to create pictures? is it not all expression?
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akira_akuma said: doesn't understand music.
I play piano, listen to classical music and take theory courses.
The definition of music is vague. You can take the sound of me taking a shit and loop and scratch it on a turntable and call it music. Peoples definition of music are different.
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Re: DJ's are NOT musicians [Re: Aedan]
#15046270 - 09/08/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, you can. same with DJs.
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oh and you take music theory!?! *signs you up for the philharmonic*
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrangement
The scientific term for "DJ" is Field Dynamic Arranger.
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production and arrangement are dynamics shared by all recording artists, and "live" musicians, alike.
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So wait a sec. What is music after all? Can I consider a bunch of air vibrations that trigger dopamine release in my brain to be music? Am I right? Cause there is a shit ton of tracks dat sound fucking horrible, like distorted noise yet people still seem to dig that shit.
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like Phoenician said, "The definition of music is vague."
yeah, i think if you heard a breeze and decided it was music to your ears then that makes it music... if you felt the wind so endearing as to record it and make it a track on an album... or just as some minimalist account of music... it can still be considered music.
there are artists out there, that i'd agree, are shitty.
but that doesn't mean that they aren't making art or music. it's just not to me, very worthwhile.
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Now tell me again about how DJ's aren't musicians.
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i love it when people use the argument that if it comes from sampling it's not music. to me, if you consider that music only solely comes from ones fingertips, from your brain, then it connotes to being able to fart out a melody and having be more worthwhile then a track made up of say... clips of dialogue from movies being made into a melody following a drum and bass track.
somehow that doesn't correlate with me, the prospect of only being music if it comes from someone's stupid head.
there are influences that create the distinctions between sounds... and music, and having said sounds being put together.
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