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Libertarians vs Republicans
    #1503981 - 04/29/03 12:40 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

I can see what Democrats have against Libertarians, but why don't more Republicans vote Libertarian? They seem to have alot in common.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1503988 - 04/29/03 12:43 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

There is a large faction of the Republican party that refer to themselves as "small-l libertarians". The official group within the Republicans is the RLC, Republican Liberty Caucus. P.J. O'Rourke is a good example of a small-l libertarian.

This comes down to the same issue with Greens and Democrats about splitting the vote, etc... Both major parties are fairly diverse coalitions, regardless of stereotyping.



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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504007 - 04/29/03 12:49 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

I would guess that the reason more Republicans don't vote libertarian is because there isn't a "serious" candidate that has a shot at winning. I've said this over and over again that if Harry Browne just attempted to do what it takes to be president he would have a good chance. Unfortunatly he thinks that all he has to do is state that he is a libertarian and the votes will come.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: wingnutx]
    #1504011 - 04/29/03 12:51 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Interesting. This "splitting the vote" mentality really bugs me. Voting isnt a popularity contest. If people want Libertarians in power, the only way is to vote them in, and stop being so paranoid about vote splitting.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1504018 - 04/29/03 12:54 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

You are right. I have the book "Why Government Doesn't Work" by Harry Browne, personally I wouldnt vote for the guy, he is a little insane.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504024 - 04/29/03 12:56 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Interesting. This "splitting the vote" mentality really bugs me. Voting isnt a popularity contest.




Tell that to Gore.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1504038 - 04/29/03 01:01 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

hahahah ouch


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504042 - 04/29/03 01:03 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Well, it's a matter of having a good chance of getting an ok guy into office, as opposed to having a snowball's chance in hell of getting someone you really, really like.

I can see both sides. Strength in numbers and a better shot at winning versus compromising yoru position. Life sucks.

The only hardcore libertarian in federal office is Ron Paul, and he's technically a Republican.



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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504130 - 04/29/03 01:29 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Libertarians are basically in agreement with Liberals on social issues such as gay marriage, the military, and civil liberties, while they tend to agree with Conservatives on issues like taxes, foreign aid, and welfare. So basically, they are both, but at the same time, they are neither.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504396 - 04/29/03 02:28 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

It seems to me they are the best of both.

So why not vote for them?


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504404 - 04/29/03 02:31 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

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It seems to me they are the best of both.

So why not vote for them?



Because I don't agree with their economic views.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504420 - 04/29/03 02:36 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

I see, I tend to agree with you, they are a bit too radical economically. They could use a dash of socialism.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504426 - 04/29/03 02:38 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

Frankly, I just don't get how they think a taxless society can work.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504438 - 04/29/03 02:42 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

Libertarian Party View on Taxes
It doesn't say anything about no taxes.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504444 - 04/29/03 02:43 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

It might work in optimal conditions, in the long run, but right now I dont think it would work. Basically it would be: rich people survive, poor people are fucked. Just tax the rich and be done with it.

I still think the American federal government is bloated, it could use a diet. Both Republicans and Democrats are making it bigger and bigger. If Libertarians focused on cutting the fat, instead of chopping off the legs, it could appeal to more people.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: z@z.com]
    #1504445 - 04/29/03 02:43 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

I see. I stand corrected.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504451 - 04/29/03 02:45 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

Ok now go vote for them.  :wink:


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504454 - 04/29/03 02:46 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

republicans claim to respect "economic" freedom, but they do not. they still are better than the democrats in that aspect though. likewise, the democrats claim to respect "personal" freedom, but they do not, yet they are better than the republicans there.

libertarians do not make the distinction between "social" or "personal" liberty and "economic" liberty. unlike the republicans or democrats, they respect both, and to the utmost degree.

i do think a taxless society could work. i think taxes are nothing more than extortion and should be abolished. if our government limited its activities to protecting american citizens from force or fraud, it could easily get by on money from sources like fines and lotteries.



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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: pattern]
    #1504457 - 04/29/03 02:48 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

No. I still disagree with their economic policy. Actually, I would be more than happy to elect a few of them to office, especially if it's an office that has some influence over drug policy. I just don't want them eliminating welfare and environmental regulations.


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Re: Libertarians vs Republicans [Re: silversoul7]
    #1504459 - 04/29/03 02:50 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)



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