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kyguy
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Toofpaste]
#15049704 - 09/08/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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add food grade citric acid when making tea is on the right track, it'll bring the ph down and make the alkaoids more water soluble.
Only needed for the psilocin, which you will otherwise completely waste making tea with neutral pH water. Boil to excess and steep as long as possible, you won't regret it. 
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So um... Would using a water filter at the faucet fix this problem? Cuz I seem to notice that my tea is stronger here than it was in my old apartment without a filter. Never thought of it til now though.
hummm now you got me thinking, because I always use bottled purified drinking water for no other reason than that's what my girl buys. But I have made tea without lemon juice before because I was out, and I still tripped. If I recall correctly I didn't trip as hard as I thought I should have that time though.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: kyguy]
#15049967 - 09/08/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Time to experiment methinks... Hehehe
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Toofpaste]
#15050113 - 09/08/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Primal,
How much citric acid do you like to put in your tea? Also, do you put it in the water before you add the mushrooms or after?
Thanks.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Toofpaste]
#15050928 - 09/08/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So um... Would using a water filter at the faucet fix this problem? Cuz I seem to notice that my tea is stronger here than it was in my old apartment without a filter. Never thought of it til now though.
No, we're talking pH as in making the tea water acidic with some citric acid or lemon juice. Just try it once and you'll see the difference. 
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: BTL99]
#15050945 - 09/08/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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How much citric acid do you like to put in your tea? Also, do you put it in the water before you add the mushrooms or after?
A few gms for tea made from a couple hundred gms of fresh shrooms and maybe 50 ccs of water. Definitely add it first, if you don't the oxidation of bluing fruits goes to completion before the psilocin gets into the solution and you lose it. The extraction starts to work at room temp but boiling increases the speed greatly while not hurting any of the actives.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15051151 - 09/08/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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How much citric acid do you like to put in your tea? Also, do you put it in the water before you add the mushrooms or after?
couple hundred gms of fresh shrooms and maybe 50 ccs of water.
Jesus christ that is really strong. A couple hundred fresh grams for .21 cups of tea? sounds overkill
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15052587 - 09/09/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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A couple hundred fresh grams for .21 cups of tea?
Well maybe I didn't explain that fully - you start with fresh (200g) and add water (50g) and you get a lot of the water from the mushrooms (about 100g) and the tea water for a total of around 150g after straining and pressing the shrooms in the strainer. So that's a half cup of tea to scarf down - it's only overkill if you don't have my daily tolerance.
It works out to 3-4 shots with a fruit juice chaser, and then it's off to the races. 
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: BTL99]
#15052663 - 09/09/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi.
I have maken mushroom tea with coffee maker and I don't think there is so much of loss of potency as tea. Ofc if you eat whole mushrooms you get all psychedelics to your stomach.
Mushrooms what I have grinded and mixed with tea of coffee is local wild mushroom like p. semilanceata and p. subs. Works for me.
Hard to say how much loss of potency there is but allways my tea have given nice psychedelic effects.
I think the trick is that there is no need go boil them in a water for a long period of time like mescaline.
Easy thing to make mushroom tea is making filter and pour hot water throug from filter and the water have psilocybine on it. But my coffee maker makes that for me. Only thing what I have noticed that the spores need to be taken somehow away from mushrooms before filter them cause probably they makes coffee filters to keep liquid inside the filter and it does not drop down.
I don't know do the potency of mushrooms gone if you boil too long time them in water, but what I know is that: Hot water through the filter and here it is! I don't actually know what happens to psilocybine if it is too long in hot water.
...Still, I have maken tea and eat them as raw and dryed and i have not noticed any different of potency..
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: intelligentlife]
#15052963 - 09/09/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't actually know what happens to psilocybine if it is too long in hot water.
Nothing happens to it. It's stable far above boiling.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15053606 - 09/09/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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A couple hundred fresh grams for .21 cups of tea?
it's only overkill if you don't have my daily tolerance.
LOL well I sure don't... I usually only dose 1-1.5 dry grams or 10-15 fresh. I have high blood pressure so its kind of unpleasant to go full on. Your dose would make me go cry in a dark closest for 10 hours.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15055546 - 09/09/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Primal,
How long do you like to leave the mushrooms in the water to steep?
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: BTL99]
#15056676 - 09/10/11 03:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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An easy question. As long as possible. If I'm going to dose on 'em then it's maybe 5 minutes, but up to 30 works fine IME. I don't detect much difference, so the first few minutes do the main work I think.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: BTL99]
#15056680 - 09/10/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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BTL99 said: Just wondering if you lose a lot of potency when making tea out of your mushrooms?
i think with most tea brewing methods you wont get evey single bit out of the mushrooms. so as to say, eating the same dose and making tea of it, the tea will probably be a lesser experience, however, i compensate for this by just brewing with more mushrooms to begin with.
as other people have said, the onset from tea is faster and wears off faster, but i definately think eating the mushrooms hits harder, thats just my 2 cents though
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15057150 - 09/10/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: An easy question. As long as possible. If I'm going to dose on 'em then it's maybe 5 minutes, but up to 30 works fine IME. I don't detect much difference, so the first few minutes do the main work I think.
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Got it, thanks.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#15057155 - 09/10/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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BTL99 said: Just wondering if you lose a lot of potency when making tea out of your mushrooms?
i think with most tea brewing methods you wont get evey single bit out of the mushrooms. so as to say, eating the same dose and making tea of it, the tea will probably be a lesser experience, however, i compensate for this by just brewing with more mushrooms to begin with.
as other people have said, the onset from tea is faster and wears off faster, but i definately think eating the mushrooms hits harder, thats just my 2 cents though
Yeah man, I feel like eating the mushrooms probably give you the longest trip possible, but I ate 7 grams of PE last week and it fucked my stomach up. So, that got me looking into the Tea.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: BTL99]
#15057163 - 09/10/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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jeez. 7 grams of PE is a heavy dose
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#15059026 - 09/10/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: jeez. 7 grams of PE is a heavy dose
Yeah, it was amazing, but it messed my stomach up bad.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: BTL99]
#15059429 - 09/10/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree that tea can feel stronger because the come up is insanely fast (especially on an empty stomach. But in reality the trip is most likely 'stronger' (more good stuff absorbed) when eaten dried/raw. Mushrooms don't last quite as long for me as my other half, after drinking tea I feel almost baseline after three or four hours, while eating lasts five to seven. A good way to potentiate a trip with tea is by drinking it more slowly. You can also re-dose two hours after you start drinking to make your plateau longer. This is what my other half and I prefer. We also break our doses up. Brew the first half, chug it. Brew the second half after, chug it. Then two hours or so later drink another full dose for another 2-3 hour extension. Of course you'll consume twice the mushies, but if your trip is worth extending go for it. My two reasons for tea are ease of ingestion and digestion. I gag with fresh and dry, but capsules work great for me. My other half loves capsules but her stomach is terribly upset the entire trip, so we make hot chocolate for her (not a tea lover) I always add lemon juice, people will say it makes it stronger. Whether it's placebo or not I don't know, but it seems to work so I do it.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: DemonicDonut]
#15060329 - 09/10/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, I could not physically eat the amount of shrooms I do as tea in an ordinary week.
But I've had 8 hour trips on tea, with peak plateaus lasting at least a couple hours.
And double dosing can be wicked incredible, had one of those last summer that was definitely out there.
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Re: Do You Lose Potency When Making Mushroom Tea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15060339 - 09/10/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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try some caapi with ur mushrooms next time, its a secret, dont take too much though
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