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INTJs and INTPs
    #15019499 - 09/02/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I know a lot of shroomerites are INTP's and INTJ's, so how has this affected you in getting ladies/relationships in general?

Here's a thread for the folks who don't know what it is or who want to take the test:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7070812#7070812


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: tito123]
    #15021436 - 09/03/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm INTJ(100:38:62:11) and can't seem to get any ladies at all.
But of course there could be countless other factors outside your personality at play, so who knows what's to blame?


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Mr Stainez]
    #15026090 - 09/04/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: tito123]
    #15029834 - 09/04/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i find most girls i meet to be boring and lose interest fast


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: nglsnv]
    #15029983 - 09/04/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry i'm neither.
ENTJ is what i got. interesting test. was pretty spot on for me.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: brerfox]
    #15030048 - 09/04/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

INTJ/INFJ here

Love is unconditional and untill that is returned I won't even bother. I have stupid expectations though; i'd rather find someone who I can connect with then to just waste time looking at a pretty face... I guess it's moreso the cognitive abilities and heigtened sense of emotion i'm looking for, it'd be nice to find someone who understands you.

Also I haven't met any who are as crazy as me :crazy2:

How has it affected relationships in general?
I can experience my emotions a bit too vividly at times and overanalyze anything... I try too hard, put in too much effort whilst expecting nothing back. I guess I take the love concept a bit too seriously... Perhaps it was because i'm still young.

i've had a few relationships but nothing too serious, i'll get back to you in a few years :lol:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Beanhead]
    #15084313 - 09/15/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an INTP. I hesitate to say that personality distinction influences my interpersonal relationships much though.

However, so far as relationships in general have gone for me. They tend to be very short. I get bored quickly and drop it or find a way to sabotage it. I have ended most of my relationships following the first or second full-coitus sexual encounter.
With one notable exception of course. I'm currently in a relationship which is going on two years, an absolutely unprecedented experience for me.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: tito123]
    #15084406 - 09/15/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

INTP here.  Of course the introverted part doesn't help with first meeting girls, but thankfully there is a beautiful substance called alcohol.  Also, I have definitely become a lot less introverted over time with some effort which helps as well.

As to other stuff, the only real "problem" I would say it causes is that I tend to ignore emotional bs as I prefer to look at things logically, which can make me look like a dick sometimes.  But with that too, it just takes a little effort to remember that some people take certain things a lot more seriously than I do, and get very different reactions than I would from some situations.

Other than that I feel that I am always fiercely loyal in my relationships (both with friends and gf) but also not the most forgiving person once you cross certain lines.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: hailtothethief]
    #15084488 - 09/15/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I recently retook the test, i am an ISFP Now, and it will probably change again. I am living a very different life than i used to and have changed more in the past few months than i did from age 12-19.

I used to be INTJ. And before now, i could barely talk to women, let alone approach one in any other way then acquaintances, i asked a girl out once in 5th grade and once in 8th grade both times they were cunts about it for no reason and it scarred me.

However i have recently changed much as i have said, and even asked one for coffee having only talked to her once before, and we sat down and talked for an hour ^^ over all it went fine.


But yeah, when i would have tested as an INTJ, could not talk to women at all.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Adolin]
    #15093557 - 09/17/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an INTJ and don't have problems getting girls if I put my mind to it but Iv been in a committed relationship for a few years so I guess its hard to say.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: 2Cents] * 2
    #15093590 - 09/17/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an INFP and I've learned that I really need to keep my intense emotions, ideals and fantasies/dreams/hopes at bay. That's not to say I don't share them - I do - but not to the extreme of what I feel - at times they are consuming and cloud my vision.

I'm also way to driven to meet the needs of others and then am often left feeling like my needs aren't met. I can easily set myself up to be taken for granted. I'm aware enough to know that that is MY issue though.

Being an INFP also gave me the ability to stay in a bad relationship for wayyyyy too long.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: SillyMe]
    #15098656 - 09/18/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an IN_J

I don't really get the diff between T and F but they both come up equally.  I think I'm a thinker when it comes to 99% of stuff, but I feel like I'm a feeler when it comes to.. people  :lol:

I know I'm attractive and can get women easily, but like some here have already said.. sometimes you just know too fast that the girl isn't worth your time.  So if you're still left with thoughts of wanting to fuck her you just feel, shallow.  But really there is nothing shallow about wanting to have sex.. society has just made us think that it's shallow.  Women usually boggle my mind with some of the decisions they make... but then again so does everybody.

Sometimes I think the world makes too much sense for a second, and that's when I lose all control.  Life is such a trip.  I'll never fully understand women.. but again I'm not sure if I'll ever fully understand anybody

If I ever do meet the right woman though.......  :boobs:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: extreme] * 1
    #15100428 - 09/19/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

INTP.

I just don't care about relationships. I have my own life and career to build. :shrug:

With people, I only try if they seem wortwhile which I can usually determine quickly. I watch people. If I'm being extroverted you're either talking about something of interest to me or I feel superior to you. If I'm quiet, its out of respect.

People who get this right off the bat generally get a long with me better. People who lack patience or depth to see this I usually don't get a long with anyway so I don't even bother trying to be friends with them (I'm still friendly) unless it directly benefits me or someone I care about. Besides, I usually have to try to lower my standards to talk to most people if I'm trying to actually pursue friendships. I don't settle, therefore I don't search. If I want to be friends with you, chances are you are like me and thus we will get together anyway because similar people seek each other. When it comes down to me talking about what I'm into or my beliefs, most people think I'm an insensitive, souless asshole. I try not to say anything I can't back up with a study(ies). That same tendency tends to make me quiet if I don't feel like I have something legit to say. Hence why I tend to talk more if people are stupider than I. Its usually to correct misinformation or catch them up in their own fallacies.

Those who matter don't mind how quiet I tend to be or how I watch social situations rather than try to be the epicenter. They like that I'm like that and see it because they tend to be similar. It saves me time. Just like I seek out the quiet introverts, test them and then usually be friend them if I feel they're on my level or higher.


There is a difference between Thinking and Feeling , btw, though the test isn't like law. There is always variables.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15100480 - 09/19/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's bad to do hard drugs, so I don't do those.
I'm banned from the pub so I need someone to post up a link here to make with the test taking.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Tri High]
    #15100488 - 09/19/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15100516 - 09/19/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Seems INTP is for me, from what I see.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Tri High]
    #15100539 - 09/19/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Why do intuitive introverts like tripping so much?

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: extreme]
    #15100551 - 09/19/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

One guess: Perhaps because introverted individuals spend a lot of time thinking about things from an internal stand point anyway. Delving into layers of uncomfortable feelings in pursuit of what makes most sense isn't uncommon. There is more comfort in being a lone and trying to rationalize things out instead of going off how things make you feel so things like tripping aren't as scary as they would be to someone who may get more comfort out of a group and would prefer not to "think too much about things".

For the same reasons, some people might benefit from having a very powerful, potentially traumatic experience to help these feelings stick over someone telling someone something and having them take their word as law. You know, like word of mouth meaning more than finding out for yourself.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15100591 - 09/19/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Right.  :whathesaid:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15100597 - 09/19/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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One guess: Perhaps because introverted individuals spend a lot of time thinking about things from an internal stand point anyway. Delving into layers of uncomfortable feelings in pursuit of what makes most sense isn't uncommon. There is more comfort in being a lone and trying to rationalize things out instead of going off how things make you feel so things like tripping aren't as scary as they would be to someone who may get more comfort out of a group and would prefer not to "think too much about things".

For the same reasons, some people might benefit from having a very powerful, potentially traumatic experience to help these feelings stick over someone telling someone something and having them take their word as law. You know, like word of mouth meaning more than finding out for yourself.




Sounds like a spot on explanation to me :thumbup:

I'm not afraid of what's inside my head so I've never been afraid when it comes to tripping.  Maybe a little bit of pre-trip anxiety but I think that's normal for most people.  But once your mind gets pried open and when many would want it to be over, that's when the fun just begins :smile:  I like thinking..


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: extreme]
    #15102166 - 09/19/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I am an INFJ and I have a horrible time finding and keeping women.  I don't feel comfortable around most people until I know them very well so I feel this limits the dating pool to those who I know already. 

Once I find a person, I have a tendency to feel much more strongly about that person than they do about me.  I think this tends to cause problems in casual relationships.  I fall in love too fast and way too hard.

I spend a lot of time analyzing the actions, statements, or behavior of others.  This catches girls off guard because I am constantly judging and assessing their behaviors.  This gets me upset sometimes, and I always get the "I didn't mean it that way"s or the "I didn't know I was doing that"s.  I firmly believe that actions speak louder than works, especially in a game where what people say rarely matters and they are often being misleading.

Finding and keeping girls is VERY hard for me.  I fully blame myself, and am convinced there is something wrong with me.  Maybe its this shitty personality type...


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: fbi365]
    #15103625 - 09/19/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No, its just your approach to the whole thing in general.

Whats so wrong with going with people you know well? Whats wrong with being friends for sometime before pursuing something? How fulfilling are the women you tend to fall for "so fast" and how likely would you guys of worked out even if it did work out? Would you of been truly satisfied with them or are you trying to find comfort and normalcy in having a relationship so you settle for and romanticize women you wouldn't be compatible with over time?


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    #15104171 - 09/19/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Finding and keeping girls is VERY hard for me.  I fully blame myself, and am convinced there is something wrong with me.  Maybe its this shitty personality type...




No personality type is shitty.  I usually test as INFJ and I think it's a blessing.. but at the same time it does make it hard to deal with people sometimes.  I would rather have the depth that I do that makes it harder to deal with people though, than the shallowness that makes small talk so easy.  :shrug:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15104214 - 09/19/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know the answer to any of those questions, TTT.  I just go after the girls I like and seem to like me back.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: extreme]
    #15104259 - 09/20/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the problem with me is that i don't settle and therefore never find a girl worth sticking with.
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Finding and keeping girls is VERY hard for me.  I fully blame myself, and am convinced there is something wrong with me.  Maybe its this shitty personality type...




No personality type is shitty.  I usually test as INFJ and I think it's a blessing.. but at the same time it does make it hard to deal with people sometimes.  I would rather have the depth that I do that makes it harder to deal with people though, than the shallowness that makes small talk so easy.  :shrug:




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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: nglsnv]
    #15104918 - 09/20/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, its a yes to most. Obviously you neeed to revise your style dude. Thats just silly. There is nothing logical about just going for girls who you "like" (infatuation often subsides fast) and then going for it when there is no confirmed actual likeness between you guys at all as far as how you conduct yourselves, your lives, and what you want in it.

I suppose thats where F comes in.

I have a really good friend who like, fell in 'love' with me hardcore. I never understood because he is vastly different than me and didn't even want similar life goals, let a lone have a passion he was wanting to follow....at the very foundations there was just no way it would work out. He was INFJ. hehe He was such a push over and so squishy about his feelings. The girls he picked never mad sense. Its like he goes off just how he feels and not off how likely it is to even work out but he was highly introverted and shy so his bad decisions tormented him.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15106004 - 09/20/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'll call myself an INFJ for this thread and say

you other INFJ's are pussies.  :sad:

I'll be honest, I'm not always super confident around women and all that shit but at least don't be so scared to be who you are.  I already know I'm an introvert and there's really nothing I can do to change that.  It's a fucking personality trait.  I'm not sure who has hurt IN's more.. society or, ourselves!?!  We live in a (country [USA]) that is all about being "outgoing" and "extroverted" and sensor-like but that doesn't mean that's the only way to be.. that's just the popular way to be.  It'd be really lame if everyone was the same.

When it comes to relationships in general, I almost never initiate the first conversation and I never go out of my way to talk to people I don't know.  I'm the quiet observer, etc.  But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate all the things I observe.  In fact I really do prefer it this way.  I don't have to say a word to somebody to have a certain level of respect/disrespect for them, just based on how they act around others.

One of the reasons I don't like conversation with strangers is because once I get going I can actually talk forever.  Which is kind of bad for small talk.  My mom and I are like dead opposite personality types I think (she is ES at least) I'm also adopted so have 0% DNA from her.  But we love and respect each other, even with all our differences, so I can literally talk and talk and talk until my mom gets tired and goes to sleep.  Not that I do this everyday.. but I'm just saying, don't underestimate yourself and the power you have.

I'm usually more intimidated by the potential power I can have over people than by the actual people.

P.S. like 1% of the world is INFJ, so I really :heart: each and every one of you.  We all struggle I know how it is.  Just stop thinking there's something wrong with you.. it's a blessing to be different!


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: extreme]
    #15106851 - 09/20/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

TTT, you an I have agreed about the "what" for a long time, I just don't understand the "how."  That is we agree on what is wrong, just not on exactly how to fix it.   

Unfortunately, the traditional shroomery advice to "stop being a pussy." just doesn't work here.  I try so hard to do the right things, but I can't.  Just this week I blew it up with a girl.  I was trying so hard to be cool about it.  I get so emotionally entangled that I don't even know what is going on.  I did it this time while consciously telling myself not to. 

Maybe, its not my personality type, but there is something very wrong with me.  Stupidity maybe?  lol


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: fbi365]
    #15106885 - 09/20/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what makes you like girls more than they like you? how do you assess their actions? do you usually think that they are trying to go for you, or that they are trying to get away from you?


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: nglsnv]
    #15109219 - 09/20/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I guess what makes me like them more is that I attach expectations to actions. For example, if a girls seems into me, we are hanging out, making out, and hooking up I expect that to build into something. I dont do those things with people I don't have feelings for. I don't expect that they should automatically be my girlfriend, but I do expect a high level of respect for that arranement and for the feelings involved, which I rarely get.

Initially, they usually pursue me, but once that dynamic is set I am usually the one doing the pursuing while they resist. Maybe it's a pace thing...


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: fbi365]
    #15112652 - 09/21/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

probably. i would suggest trying to build something before you get to the hooking up part. it seems like every time i rush into hooking up with someone, the other person stops trying to get to know me and the relationship becomes merely physical and without any substance. don't expect too much :shrug:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: nglsnv]
    #15115660 - 09/22/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

substance.
sustenance.

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15118330 - 09/22/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, its a yes to most. Obviously you neeed to revise your style dude. Thats just silly. There is nothing logical about just going for girls who you "like" (infatuation often subsides fast) and then going for it when there is no confirmed actual likeness between you guys at all as far as how you conduct yourselves, your lives, and what you want in it.

I suppose thats where F comes in.

I have a really good friend who like, fell in 'love' with me hardcore. I never understood because he is vastly different than me and didn't even want similar life goals, let a lone have a passion he was wanting to follow....at the very foundations there was just no way it would work out. He was INFJ. hehe He was such a push over and so squishy about his feelings. The girls he picked never mad sense. Its like he goes off just how he feels and not off how likely it is to even work out but he was highly introverted and shy so his bad decisions tormented him.


Its all patterns, what is yours? Facets catch the light and display in almost all angles. Personality traits are similar.



isn't it possible to be vastly different and STILL be a good couple? i mean, isn't that still highly likely?

i would imagine, you need some similarities but who is to say that you need to that much alike?

and PS: why is everyone in this thread so weepy about chicks? be a proud INTJ or P!1


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: akira_akuma]
    #15119242 - 09/22/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I personally can't see that happening. Different interests is difference than different perspective of life and career.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15119321 - 09/22/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You have to have enough similarities that you click and can start a relationship but enough differences that you don't get bored of each other imo. Extremely different couples would require each person to like/love the fact that their partner is extremely different from them. It'd also require them to be even more open minded than they already need to be, since they have more differences than most.

It also depends on what the differences are. Atheist vs. Christian would obviously not work (not to say that it hasn't irl, but seriously, those people aren't happy together.)


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15124018 - 09/23/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I personally can't see that happening. Different interests is difference than different perspective of life and career.



people usually juggle and play craps with their different careers and perspectives, and sometimes like to play with multiples.

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: akira_akuma]
    #15124328 - 09/23/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It depends on the people. Some people know where they fit in and spend their lives building it. Those types of people might be driven mad by a more impulsive, less self aware individual who spent time chasing dreams that aren't their own.

I know I dislike people like that, though most everyone I know is. :shrug:

And so the differences are always apparent in every word a person chooses to describe themselves, their desires, and interests and their approach to others. Its a glimpse into ones mental coordinates but some are located at obscure points and find difficulty in encountering others who may be in the same place through a different route. (Route=life in this vaguely specific sentence) People who are that ambitious ... I have trouble believing they could find love in someone who was less motivated, easily pleased, and less introspective or real with themselves. Only way I could see it working is if one got a boost out of knowing they are above their partner and get security out of knowing that. Even the degrees in which someone believes that and the reasons why they crave such security sets them apart slightly from people who may do similar things to a lesser degree.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: TTT]
    #15124701 - 09/23/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

well, yeah, obviously you can't be real with everybody. :shrug:

but that's my point; you can't choose your perspective. (you can change it, sure, but that's not what i'm getting at)


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: akira_akuma]
    #15138874 - 09/26/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Okay seriously fuck that site.

I take the test and get INFP. "The Healer"

their great passion is to heal the conflicts that trouble individuals, or that divide groups, and thus to bring wholeness, or health, to themselves, their loved ones, and their community.


"Fair enough," I think. "That sounds pretty good, I can see that."

So I'm clicking on the links at the bottom of the page like "Jobs for Healer type" "how the Healer type should deal with stress" etc.

So I get to the link thats like "your type and romance" or whatever, and this is what i see:




What the fuck? Some simp ass square nigga following a bitch around with a goofy smile on his face, holding a bunch of shopping bags and her purse while she is clucking into her goddamn cell phone?     

from the excerpt:

Julius is a Healer (INFP) Idealist. In high school, his closest friends were girls. 

That's as far as I got.

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: domite]
    #15138963 - 09/26/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im INFP as well and your right, that sounds absolutely nothing like me; I dislike conflict between friends but like to create havoc in institutions

The vast majority of my friends tend to be IN__, that is not to say that I know many in face to face everyday life; as a matter of fact I only know one and he drifted off somewhere

Relationships just seemed too fake, I wanted to see what all the buzz about sex was; I was quickly bored and left the girl

If I found a girl mad as me whos a conversationalist interested in tripping then yeah, things could get interesting; for a time

As it stands though, my only interest in life consist of Drugs, Dreams, and Death; with technology and nature facilitating


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Wise Toad]
    #15139305 - 09/26/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i'm an intp, my only 2 friends since i was a teenager are both intps and my dad is intp.

i sometimes joke that if it weren't for alcohol or meth/coke i'd still be a virgin.
it may be true..(although i would have paid for a hooker a long time ago tho i suppose)..i've been in several long term relationships..2 3 year relationships and currently six years..she is an infp? whichever one is the healer i can't remember..works ok except we're both terrible at communicating feelings:tongue:


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: filthydee]
    #15140963 - 09/27/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Filthydee - INFP is the healer - that's what I am and I suspect my bf is an INTP - he's horrible at communicating. Is she bad at communicating all feelings??? I can communicate positive feelings very well but have a natural instinct to avoid conflict so I've had to work very hard at learning to communicate negative feelings in a constructive manner so that a positive outcome can be had - and worked at developing my logical side so that my emotions don't control everything. I know that this describes me to a T:

http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_rel.html

Personally I think it's a good combination - best to you and your gal.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: SillyMe]
    #15141323 - 09/27/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

When I think about this subject, I have a good laugh thinking about the analysis of my animals.

My typing is between INTJ/FJ as well. When it comes up TJ it is weak, 1% on T & J, in FJ it is a much stronger %. This is due to the fact that I have developed the T as a tool of discretion.

Each typing has its weaknesses and strengths. It is through immersion in 'the book of nature' whereby each person comes into balance. The strength and the sensitivity are equally important. Nature is ruthless and impartial, we must listen, feel, think, speak and act with equal force. Transcendence is another all its own, and perhaps closer to the objective way of nature than the others, but requires great focus in bringing back down intact.

Concerning relationship, compatibility is a rare find for those of us with rare constitutions. Even more so for those of us who have sought and found development, for the loss of weaknesses renders us even more unrecognizable. Humans find solice in shared fear and inability, 'misery loves company'. Those of us who manage this growth either become more hermit-like, basking in the inner-light, or become teachers, leaders and healers in the public light, the various wizards of man. A mix of both is very fulfilling. I have to really like (and whatever the pre-cursor of love is called) somebody in order to have any interest. In the past I've gone along with women who have pursued me, they only wind up injured, much to my dismay. Now, I look forward to finding the right match for myself, although I have the patience for continuing my self-sufficiency, the work is company enough for this lifetime. It doesn't hurt to have a broad circle of close friends around the world for company (although many of them are females, of course, and so thereby tainted to some degree by their romantic hopes, haha). The solitary wolf who adopts the skills of an entire pack.

Take strength in yourself. Develop skill, memory, physical fitness, DISCRETION, always reach beyond and never look back, once on the way the razors edge will cutoff our feet if we hesitate.

The story of the world. 

This practice, personality typing, is a modern-day interpretation of the concept of constitutional analysis. The true domain of divination. It is imbalance in the sincerity of science which has allowed the full art of divination to fall into the bowels, today meaning little more than a hokey bastardization of astrology, cards and obsession with armageddon. 

It's been the end of the world every day since this fucking place started. That which is above is as that which is below, for the completion of the one thing. Full of inconceivable mystery, beauty and pain. 


The Universities are full of crooks, demons, theory and false-superiority, spitting poison. If a person is able to navigate through this mine-field and find success, more power to them, however, even permitting this ability, the seeker must still ultimately find his/her own force. The strength of self-education is very notably superior. When actually alone, self-sufficient, it is clear that the path of traditional oral and practical lesson is the archetype of university, with only fractions of true knowledge available in 'the system'. Our modern culture is the master of taking things apart, but fails miserably at putting them back together. Good luck finding anything whole and intact within the mass. The most important aspect of the path of the scientist is to be of service to those in need. Modern day science only renders the world in greater need.

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: lIXII]
    #15141478 - 09/27/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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When I think about this subject, I have a good laugh thinking about the analysis of my animals.

My typing is between INTJ/FJ as well. When it comes up TJ it is weak, 1% on T & J, in FJ it is a much stronger %. This is due to the fact that I have developed the T as a tool of discretion.

Each typing has its weaknesses and strengths. It is through immersion in 'the book of nature' whereby each person comes into balance. The strength and the sensitivity are equally important. Nature is ruthless and impartial, we must listen, feel, think, speak and act with equal force. Transcendence is another all its own, and perhaps closer to the objective way of nature than the others, but requires great focus in bringing back down intact.

Concerning relationship, compatibility is a rare find for those of us with rare constitutions. Even more so for those of us who have sought and found development, for the loss of weaknesses renders us even more unrecognizable. Humans find solice in shared fear and inability, 'misery loves company'. Those of us who manage this growth either become more hermit-like, basking in the inner-light, or become teachers, leaders and healers in the public light, the various wizards of man. A mix of both is very fulfilling. I have to really like (and whatever the pre-cursor of love is called) somebody in order to have any interest. In the past I've gone along with women who have pursued me, they only wind up injured, much to my dismay. Now, I look forward to finding the right match for myself, although I have the patience for continuing my self-sufficiency, the work is company enough for this lifetime. It doesn't hurt to have a broad circle of close friends around the world for company (although many of them are females, of course, and so thereby tainted to some degree by their romantic hopes, haha). The solitary wolf who adopts the skills of an entire pack.

Take strength in yourself. Develop skill, memory, physical fitness, DISCRETION, always reach beyond and never look back, once on the way the razors edge will cutoff our feet if we hesitate.

The story of the world. 

This practice, personality typing, is a modern-day interpretation of the concept of constitutional analysis. The true domain of divination. It is imbalance in the sincerity of science which has allowed the full art of divination to fall into the bowels, today meaning little more than a hokey bastardization of astrology, cards and obsession with armageddon. 

It's been the end of the world every day since this fucking place started. That which is above is as that which is below, for the completion of the one thing. Full of inconceivable mystery, beauty and pain. 


The Universities are full of crooks, demons, theory and false-superiority, spitting poison. If a person is able to navigate through this mine-field and find success, more power to them, however, even permitting this ability, the seeker must still ultimately find his/her own force. The strength of self-education is very notably superior. When actually alone, self-sufficient, it is clear that the path of traditional oral and practical lesson is the archetype of university, with only fractions of true knowledge available in 'the system'. Our modern culture is the master of taking things apart, but fails miserably at putting them back together. Good luck finding anything whole and intact within the mass. The most important aspect of the path of the scientist is to be of service to those in need. Modern day science only renders the world in greater need.

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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: SillyMe]
    #15142406 - 09/27/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Filthydee - INFP is the healer - that's what I am and I suspect my bf is an INTP - he's horrible at communicating. Is she bad at communicating all feelings??? I can communicate positive feelings very well but have a natural instinct to avoid conflict so I've had to work very hard at learning to communicate negative feelings in a constructive manner so that a positive outcome can be had - and worked at developing my logical side so that my emotions don't control everything. I know that this describes me to a T:

http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_rel.html

Personally I think it's a good combination - best to you and your gal.




silly- you nailed it, i'm not a great communicator in relationships, she definitely communicates positive feelings, and holds negative to avoid confrontation. funny we're like the bizzaro you or vice versa..
we have gotten much better than when we started 6 years ago, but it still needs work..
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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: filthydee]
    #15145533 - 09/28/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well said lIXII, I like how you go into nature being adamantly fact which, if ignored, will bring repercussions upon the individual. That aspect is mirrored by society as best it can, dehumanizing to force the people into step with the masters tune.

It would seem that a preference for Thinking suits one bent on being bold enough to survive the mixed forces of social structure and nature that must be dealt with. On the other hand Feeling goes along with the human emotional aspect, taking the consciousness of the individual into account; both sentimentalism, heroics, and vulnerability accompany it.

A balance between the two is necessary to get along with all aspects of reality

I would prefer to Feel but seem to rely on the Thinking aspect for most of my actions, extending to the discretion of my words depending upon the company. I wish I could always be open, expressive, and creative; this is what I judge my non professional interaction on, seeking depth through either 1 on 1 conversation or solo thought

The preference is secondary to the individuals situational awareness; perhaps the personality test is meant to judge only what is within, introspective processes of the mind as opposed to ones appearance within a group

I have to wonder if I would be an extrovert if all those I know were more like me. How far do the terms extroversion/introversion go? From all Iv read on the subject on not only wikipedia but several other sources with articles dedicated to personality typing it still seems unclear as to whether extroversion/introversion reflects a desire to spend more or less time being introspective vs. extrospective or if its simply about other people(which is conducive to extrospection) and to what extent? Does being an extrovert mean seeking out a large crowd or can it just be that close circle of friends, does it mean that they desire breadth in friendship(many friends) instead of depth? If not for depth then what, self satisfaction at the great many friends? These tests tell me so little about people but they are an exceptional conversation tool


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: Wise Toad]
    #15146870 - 09/28/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wise toad,

As with most of these newer systems of analysis, the briggs-meyer test offers information concerning only a fraction of the understanding of interaction, which is only a fraction of what composes the entirety of a person. Clearly, it only approaches the person as a social entity, all of the descriptors relate directly to interpersonal interaction. When I'm out in the woods, somebody probably would think I'm a sasquatch more than an INXX.

There are also many important qualities which are left out of this understanding, for instance provider vs consumer, asshole vs nice person, & on. As you note, this test is more about the internal perspective, as for instance, when I'm teaching or meeting a new person, they're not really gonna be able to guess my briggs-meyer type...   

I do think that extroversion & introversion are objective qualities of people, does a person feel fed and balanced by social interaction or by being productive on their own, does a person need reflection from the outside to understand themselves or are their own internal processes sufficient, etc. 

Typically, an introvert will become more communicative when in comfortable settings, this is true of extroverts as well, and I've seen very 'outgoing' people clam up when amongst uncomfortable / unfamiliar settings.

Albeit as a rough and incomplete system, even the B-M test can be informative, it reveals something about a person that is usually very difficult to have them put into words. In terms of relationship, this system can definitely tell us something of compatibility, but for myself, as for many others, my own interpretation of a person is usually very accurate and occurs much more quickly than B-M.

Also, not to be forgotten is the fact that humans are a part of nature. As modern humans we have chosen to develop behaviors that set us at an artificial distance from natural cycles. It may be said that most of the serious problems that we face as a species are due to this practice. In my mind, the loss of tradition is probably the worst casualty that we have suffered/ are suffering, as this is the information that has been earned through thousands of years of direct contact with the earth. Surely, modern technology/ [false] science is a direct heir of tradition, but it intentionally discredits and destroys its progenitors, like a spoiled and selfish child considering only its own good fortune.


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Re: INTJs and INTPs [Re: lIXII]
    #15147562 - 09/28/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm ENFP, I'm not really 100% sure what that really means...:confused:


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    #15147604 - 09/28/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm ENFP, I'm not really 100% sure what that really means...:confused:




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    #15147666 - 09/28/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh! I'm okay with that!  :biggrin:


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    #15149970 - 09/28/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Wise toad,

As with most of these newer systems of analysis, the briggs-meyer test offers information concerning only a fraction of the understanding of interaction, which is only a fraction of what composes the entirety of a person. Clearly, it only approaches the person as a social entity, all of the descriptors relate directly to interpersonal interaction. When I'm out in the woods, somebody probably would think I'm a sasquatch more than an INXX.

There are also many important qualities which are left out of this understanding, for instance provider vs consumer, asshole vs nice person, & on. As you note, this test is more about the internal perspective, as for instance, when I'm teaching or meeting a new person, they're not really gonna be able to guess my briggs-meyer type...   

I do think that extroversion & introversion are objective qualities of people, does a person feel fed and balanced by social interaction or by being productive on their own, does a person need reflection from the outside to understand themselves or are their own internal processes sufficient, etc. 

Typically, an introvert will become more communicative when in comfortable settings, this is true of extroverts as well, and I've seen very 'outgoing' people clam up when amongst uncomfortable / unfamiliar settings.

Albeit as a rough and incomplete system, even the B-M test can be informative, it reveals something about a person that is usually very difficult to have them put into words. In terms of relationship, this system can definitely tell us something of compatibility, but for myself, as for many others, my own interpretation of a person is usually very accurate and occurs much more quickly than B-M.

Also, not to be forgotten is the fact that humans are a part of nature. As modern humans we have chosen to develop behaviors that set us at an artificial distance from natural cycles. It may be said that most of the serious problems that we face as a species are due to this practice. In my mind, the loss of tradition is probably the worst casualty that we have suffered/ are suffering, as this is the information that has been earned through thousands of years of direct contact with the earth. Surely, modern technology/ [false] science is a direct heir of tradition, but it intentionally discredits and destroys its progenitors, like a spoiled and selfish child considering only its own good fortune.




The constant erasure of culture is tragic, amnesia says it all. Tradition is just like everything else, both good and bad in it; but it is important for a people to have a past worth exploring. A great aspect of humanity is its widely varying perspectives; all the heros, villains, pacifists, dictators, all the radicals. Those outliers make the story interesting but at the same time denote a conflict within the societal organization. While its not perfect I would prefer this over a world with one baseline perspective experienced by all, a single set of social norms with no chance for sustainable variance, lacking a future.

The problem there lies in the lack of diversity, it will create a monoculture of culture; monocultures are extremely vulnerable as they can be defeated with only one solution. Examples being biodiversity, the less diverse the life the more easily wiped out by one simple catastrophe; why are we still here when all the dinosaurs died, some species obviously survived. Any society that prevents a future for the people will have no future because they will be dismantled by someone with intelligence that surpasses theirs.  This is the beauty of thought, a 1984 type scenario couldnt last long; the further from nature we get the weaker we are in so many ways,

Its funny tho, those best online friends of mine all turned out to be INFP; so many ways to go about personality

I would like to see a study done on sociopaths in regards to personality, see if there is any correlation between myers briggs type and the average sociopath; an enigma worth unraveling


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