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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: sk8ordude]
#15009582 - 08/31/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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A sad event. For the aware person this type of incident only further underscores the need for complete drug policy revision. Of course the media will have its way and bend things around a bit.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: ButteredToast]
#15010049 - 09/01/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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ButteredToast said: I can't believe a couple of you fucks are applauding this guy.
you don't go snooping around on private property.. But private property rights and right to bear arms doesn't really jive well with this site, ive noticed
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
#15010114 - 09/01/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is how I understand the situation from reading this article and listening to an account on the radio this morning. Please correct me if I got something wrong.
The guy works for a timber company. He's looking around for an illegal grow on timber company grounds. These grounds are private property OWNED BY THE COMPANY HE WORKS FOR.
Dude is unlucky enough to stumble upon an opium grow when some transient (someone who doesn't own much of anything, much less the land these poppies are grown on) starts shooting with a rifle from some 30 feet away.
Was the guy -- the guy who stumbled upon the grow -- being cautious enough? Apparently not. But could this coward with the rifle possibly be justified in killing the man? Definitely not, as far as I understand the story. What, pray tell, could the man possibly have been protecting at that point? Not his land, that's for certain (wasn't his). Not his grow (that's gone now and who the fuck would harvest something with blood on it, figuratively speaking). Perhaps his freedom, although I'd think that with a 10 yard lead and knowledge of the terrain, he'd have been better off running for it. Cops are going to be after him with a vengeance now and, as far as I can tell, with good reason.
Best response to this point in the thread is the guy who says it was the cops' fault for not stopping him. WTF were they supposed to do, cuff him? Jee-zuz.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Me_Roy]
#15010158 - 09/01/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since many of you on this site might not hear news on the state of organized crime out here, the kind of grows they would have been looking for aren't gardens for personal use, but big operation tended full-time by several farmers. Big swaths of land cleared, cultivated, polluted and left ruined in private timber and public parks.
Would an end to prohibition make this sort of thing less profitable? Absolutely. But until mj is made legal NATION-WIDE, there will be a market for stuff grown outdoors in Cali and thus impetus to rape the land out here for a quick buck. So please think twice before wishing ill on those who might very well be interested in protecting natural resources and clearing (PUBLIC) parklands of armed growers who will shoot anyone unlucky enough to stumble upon their turf.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Me_Roy]
#15010255 - 09/01/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm in favor of large farms of weed being grown.
All in favor of it.
Not necessarily on private timberland but hey, what can ya do. All in all I'm just NOT in favor of some guy trying to get other people locked up for growing cannabis.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Humility]
#15010960 - 09/01/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just because someone is an anti-drug douche bag looking for marijuana growing that's destroying the forrest of the city he lives in warrents his death. A lot of people feel personal responsibility for the damage these marijuana gardens are doing to nature on the are THEY live in. So if he was a douchebag snooping old man is not the issue, but a death warrent? Please. Being irrational souless fucks on the internet doesn't make you cool. The douche bag who shot a 69 year old man snooping around because he found 100 poppy plants should be the executed one piece of shit for murder. Human life becomes e-badass experiece on shroomery quite and a bit so i am actually typing this for the first and going out of my way to call you fucking faggots.
see you at your funeral Melo
People who DESTORY the forrest because of war on drugs are not kept from some standards because they are under a fucked up war on drugs system and can commit hideous acts justly. Violence has truly changed nothing and if you can't see that you are lost.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: withoutawire] 1
#15011344 - 09/01/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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withoutawire said: Just because someone is an anti-drug douche bag looking for marijuana growing that's destroying the forrest of the city he lives in warrents his death. A lot of people feel personal responsibility for the damage these marijuana gardens are doing to nature on the are THEY live in. So if he was a douchebag snooping old man is not the issue, but a death warrent? Please. Being irrational souless fucks on the internet doesn't make you cool. The douche bag who shot a 69 year old man snooping around because he found 100 poppy plants should be the executed one piece of shit for murder. Human life becomes e-badass experiece on shroomery quite and a bit so i am actually typing this for the first and going out of my way to call you fucking faggots.
see you at your funeral Melo
People who DESTORY the forrest because of war on drugs are not kept from some standards because they are under a fucked up war on drugs system and can commit hideous acts justly. Violence has truly changed nothing and if you can't see that you are lost.
Destroying the forest because of war on drugs? Are you fucking joking? Are you aware of the destruction caused by legal agriculture? The truth is: 100 poppies or 100 pot plants have the effect they do on the region (whatever damage that may be). Making it illegal only means that innocent people growing it go to prison and have their lives ruined.
Man grows poppies in discrete location in forest. Man2 goes looking for clandestine gardens to bust innocent man. Man shoots man2 so that his own freedom is protected (read the 2nd amendment and COUNTLESs quotes from the founders of America-they strongly emphasize the importance of guns being there to protect you from those trying to infringe upon your rights (to grow plants) because that freedom is what this country was made for.)
The lesson here for me is not "dont grow poppies" but rather, don't go looking for other people's gardens because it is dangerous, whether you morally agree with it or not.
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: LightShedder]
#15011431 - 09/01/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I disagree with the imprisonment of plant growers, and agree with clandestine gardens. The whole US was basically a forest until the white man came, and now they say we cant even grow medicinal plants because its "harmful" to the environment. It just sounds like a card they are playing to get the hippies to stop using drugs that damage public morale (whatever agenda our rulers decree).
Everyday we have more forests being completely destroyed to build more houses and more strip malls, a couple gardens is nothing to that. Lastly there wouldn't be any criminals with guns in the drug business if shit could be legit.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Humility] 1
#15011440 - 09/01/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Humility said: I'm in favor of large farms of weed being grown.
All in favor of it.
Not necessarily on private timberland but hey, what can ya do. All in all I'm just NOT in favor of some guy trying to get other people locked up for growing cannabis.
He clearly knew what he was getting into... sorry he was looking to give other people death sentences (life in jail is essentially a death sentence) / destroy their life, he deserved EXACTLY what he got.
Its just like a cop who gets murdered during a drug raid. How sad. Sure he was only doing his job but he knew full well what he was doing.
Its unfortunate he was killed, but he didn't have to do what he was doing.
Edited by Cyclohexylamine (09/01/11 11:13 AM)
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#15011875 - 09/01/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am shocked and ashamed that some members here threaten fellow members who share your sensible views.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: LightShedder]
#15012747 - 09/01/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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who the fuck cares, lol this forum is full of drug freaks and mommas boys
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#15015294 - 09/02/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Humility said: I'm in favor of large farms of weed being grown.
All in favor of it.
Not necessarily on private timberland but hey, what can ya do. All in all I'm just NOT in favor of some guy trying to get other people locked up for growing cannabis.
He clearly knew what he was getting into... sorry he was looking to give other people death sentences (life in jail is essentially a death sentence) / destroy their life, he deserved EXACTLY what he got.
Its just like a cop who gets murdered during a drug raid. How sad. Sure he was only doing his job but he knew full well what he was doing.
Its unfortunate he was killed, but he didn't have to do what he was doing.
Eye to eye.
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Humility]
#15017754 - 09/02/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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That particular guy was indeed looking for trouble and found more than he bargained for. Never mind that that guy was patrolling private property that he had the responsibility of tending to.
However, doesn't anyone else find it alarming that people will set up grows on public lands that any and everyone should enjoy, or on private property that belongs to someone else, guard that grow with a high-powered rifle, and shoot anyone who happens to stumble upon it?
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Re: California city councilman killed investigating forest grow op [Re: Me_Roy]
#15018239 - 09/02/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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When people are on public land that is frequently traversed by visitors, they have no right to shoot any stranger that stumbles across their grow. If it wasn't that well hidden it was a shitty idea in the first place.
In this case, it sounds like this was plenty hidden, it just happened to be found by 2 men (at least one of them was armed!) snooping looking for trouble. These assholes are crazy if they will insist that growin poppy plants effects their forest that they're fixing to chop down! Well so you might say "but it was private land" to which my reply is if they feel so entitiled to the authority over who grows what there then they can call the police when they suspect a grow is going on with the location of their supposed grow op.
If you're gonna confront these guys with a weapon on any land public or private then be prepared to get shot at. Again this ultimately boils down to prohibition. I just can't see something like this happening if drugs were legal. You don't hear about the national parks in California flooded with clandestine breweries!
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